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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does this experience support the trans idea of being born in the wrong body?

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Gettheleather · 02/08/2017 12:42

Excuse the long post. There was child born in 1988 with cloacal exstophy. The babies genitalia was unidentifiable. During surgery internal testicles were removed. The baby spent their first year being raised as a boy and at one year old it was decided that it would be psychologically better for the baby to be raised as a girl. The Drs were under the impression that it didn't really matter, a child without genitalia could be raised either sex and it be fine.

For the next approximately 20 years the child was raised as a girl, chromosomal testing was done for medical reasons and it was discovered they had the XY chromosome. He decided he was a man. He has spoken of always feeling like something wasn't quite right, he had struggled spending many years trying to convince himself and everyone else that he was something he wasn't.

I know most of mumsnet agree that gender is dysphoria is a very real condition and simply question how gender identity law can be exploited by those not genuinely suffering with it and how it will infringe on others rights. But I do believe there are some who question that you can be born in the wrong body at all. If sex is truly only about genitalia then why did this man feel so distressed by the years of living as female? Is it some evidence that sex and gender are more than just biology?

I'm not being goady, I feel it's a valid thing to question.

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MrGHardy · 09/08/2017 12:15

God the more I read about trans the more pissed off I get.

A man has a penis. A woman does not. If you are a man and think you want to be a woman but want to keep your penis (most common example I suppose) then you are not a man. Don't pretend that abnormal is suddenly normal, and in this case "male". You can ask for your abnormality to be respected but you can't pretend that you are a normal male. It sucks yes, but life can suck, and it would be much better to learn to accept it rather than try to deny it by changing how biology works.

Second, I posted this just now elsewhere, why the fuck do you so desperately want to be labeled X only to then tell others how they view X is wrong? It makes no sense.

Would be a lot better if we had more than two genders, maybe then they wouldn't feel the need to tell everyone else how they fit into one of the two.

Datun · 09/08/2017 12:27

MrGHardy

I'm not sure I understand your post. Most men who want to be a woman absolutely do not consider themselves men.

They don't consider themselves other/a third gender, either.

They consider themselves women. Through and through. Your brain determines your sex, not your biology/anatomy/chromosomes.

MrGHardy · 09/08/2017 15:11

Sorry, I meant women not men, of course. The "I have a penis and beard but I am a woman" or "I have a vagina but am a man". Those terrible "this is what a woman looks like" campaigns. I find it ludicrous they want to be X and then change what X is. Sorry, but it's a joke.

DermotOLogical · 09/08/2017 20:36

Datun surely your chromosomes determine your sex.

Seeingadistance · 09/08/2017 23:25

Nobody is born "in the wrong body". It's just nonsense.

Datun · 10/08/2017 00:03

DermotOLogical

Of course they do. But not according to the trans ideology.

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