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Guardian: Mixed-sex wards endanger and humiliate women

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miri1985 · 30/07/2017 11:17

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/30/mixed-sexed-wards-endanger-and-humiliate-women?CMP=share_btn_tw

Even as gender-neutral spaces grow, hospitals show that in some areas men and women are best kept apart

Courtesy of some artful timing, the latest of Theresa May’s difficulties – on mixed-sex hospital wards – caused less of a stir than her choice of the Alps, also disclosed as Westminster shut down, for her and Philip’s next walking holiday. Confirmation of a 50% rise, in May’s one year in office, in the number of patients treated in same-sex wards, a subject of consuming Tory interest until she dropped it from their manifesto, must now take second place to a £26 shirt dress.

Accusations of shiftiness are more quickly forgotten, after all, than are reversals on this scale. The unacceptability of mixed-sex wards has been a cherished theme for every opposition since Tony Blair alighted, in 1996, on what is still, universally, agreed to be a valid cause of public upset.

Mixed wards, he said “cause indignity, upset people”. Subsequent studies, including a 2008 examination of nurse and patient perspectives, confirmed he had not exaggerated. There were patients, it confirmed, of both sexes and of varied ages, who “experienced a lack of privacy, worried about bodily exposure and felt uncomfortable”. Nurses entirely sympathised. “Mixed-sex accommodation,” it concluded, “is an unacceptable solution to bed shortages.”

Moreover, investigations showed, objections go far beyond the allegedly trivial ones, according to more disinhibited patients, of commodes, Carry On! gowns, proximity to men who might resemble, to pick one or two names at random, the Pimlico Plumber and twat-detector Charlie Mullins or the BBC star and famed beauty connoisseur, John Inverdale.

Patients and their relatives attested to intrusion, exhibitionism and leering from nearby beds, even with staff around. In 2009, Channel 4 discovered that almost two-thirds of sexual assaults by patients in hospitals (21 out of 33 in 2007/8), occurred in mixed-sex wards. Variations on Blair’s question to an evasive John Major – “Is it beyond the collective wit of the government and the health administrators to deal with that problem?” – was a reliable line in opposition outrage until Jeremy Hunt declared in 2014 that this indignity was “nearly”, or “virtually”, history.

Regulations introduced by the coalition government in 2010 compelled hospital trusts to report their figures for mixed-ward occupation, then fined them £250 per night for breaches. “We want to see the end of mixed-sex wards,” Nick Clegg said. “Everybody knows this has got to end.” As recently as his 2015 conference speech, a key part of Hunt’s claims to representing “the party of the NHS” was the unqualified triumph: “mixed sex wards eliminated”. The mysterious disappearance of mixed-sex elimination from the recent Tory manifesto, plus its own virtual elimination from the J Hunt repertoire, has in turn revived opposition testimonials to the distress underlying the statistics.

Norman Lamb, the Lib Dems’ health spokesman, described soaring mixed-sex breaches, as hospitals come under more pressure, as “an utter scandal and an affront to basic human dignity”.

If this trend continues, thousands more patients may, when parliament resumes, have occupied a bed a few feet from a stranger of the opposite sex, an arrangement explicitly deplored in the NHS constitution. It “commits” to patients “that if you are admitted to hospital, you will not have to share sleeping accommodation with patients of the opposite sex, except where appropriate”. As for providers, they are expected, according to the NHS handbook, “to eliminate mixed-sex accommodation except where it is in the best overall interest of the patient involved or respects their personal choice”.

Pending the Brexit-funded, £350m-a-week NHS spending bonanza advertised on buses by his fellow ministers, Gove and Johnson, and the vast number of individual en suite rooms that will result, maybe Hunt’s best solution to his mixed-ward catastrophe lies in a collective shift in those personal choices. As Justine Greening has confirmed, announcing her consultation on the 2004 Gender Recognition Act, plus an LGBT survey to inform public services, the May government is not unfamiliar with recent shifts in thinking about gender identity. These, if more generally accepted, could see the end of binary arrangements such as men and women’s hospital wards. What if Hunt reimagined his privacy-free wards, washrooms and lavatories, as not so much a system in collapse as a success for the concerned, gender-aware progressives who used to be called the Tory party?

True, the consensus, at least in mainstream opposition politics, that mixed-sex wards are an outrage, dangerous, a disgrace, even, possibly, a breach of article 3 of the Human Rights Act – against inhuman or degrading treatment – militates against any rapid acceptance that their polarising of sex difference could do more harm. Then again, looking at the speed with which gender-neutral lavatories have spread, largely as a response to trans people’s experiences of discrimination in binary bathrooms, he might find himself on the right side of history, if the wrong one of his own constitution.

A health service that is instructed by the BMA to use the term “pregnant people”, so as “to include intersex men and trans men who may get pregnant”, will naturally wish, Hunt might argue, to extend this level of inclusiveness to the old men/women ward arrangements, provided that there are plenty of curtains, tons of dignity and low voices. The risks to women in gender-neutral/mixed-sex wards, from the sort of molestation documented by Channel 4, are less easily countered. Not, emphatically, because such wards would include trans women or men identifying as women who have not physically transitioned: their choices are already respected in wards. Rather, when the irrelevance of biological difference is used to cancel women-only spaces, some of them hard won, these effectively become public areas, no different from the trains and tubes where, it turns out, sex attacks, most of them against women and girls, have doubled in five years.

Any woman catching up with that news in a mixed-sex ward may have reflected that offenders, when at large, sometimes fall sick. The increased likelihood for patients of being in a mixed-sex ward, arrives just as increased reporting makes clear the astonishing levels of day-to-day harassment experienced by women and girls.

Similarly, its male perpetrators presumably use bathrooms. The growing desegregation of these places, though deplored by many women, and with the obvious threats to safety, privacy and dignity, has signally failed to inspire – maybe understandably if you consider the male sanitation gains – even a fraction of reflexive, high-level revulsion as do mixed-sex wards.

Samira Ahmed’s persuasive complaints about the Barbican’s opening to all a women’s loo did not prevent its endorsement elsewhere as a model of inclusivity; women’s resentment about surrender of their space being, we are instructed, as quaintly unhinged as it is nakedly transphobic. All of which makes same-sex wards yet more worthy of defence: they could soon be the only surviving women’s spaces.

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enoughisenough12 · 30/07/2017 11:49

And in the Sunday Times today : Jenny McCartney: " Dangers lurk within this easy switch of gender - We are pushing the idea that identity trumps biology while ignoring the perils." Excellent article.

Yesterday In The Times an article by Janice Turner 'How do you solve a problem like men in women's changing rooms, Maria?' - an interview with Maria Miller where Miller came over as catastrophically clueless and unable to give a coherent answer to any of the questions put to her about the conflicts of rights / dangers to women from self identification. It would have been enjoyable to see a politician so unaware of the issues if it wasn't so serious.

DJBaggySmalls · 30/07/2017 11:51

The Tories pledged to end single sex wards in their manifesto, and have now dropped that pledge.

''There is no justification for placing a patient in mixed-sex accommodation where this is not in the best overall interests of the patient and where better management, better facilities or the removal of organisational constraints could have averted the situation.''
www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/NHShospitals/Pages/in-hospital.aspx

''“.. cuts to social care over the past seven years have seen hospital attendances rocket and left the Government unable to deliver their promises to the public,”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/number-patients-forced-endure-mixed-sex-wards-trebles-two-years/

Mixed sex wards are in breach of NHS guidelines, this from 2011
''trusts will be fined £250 for every day a patient is forced to share accommodation with the opposite sex.''
www.nursingtimes.net/roles/nurse-managers/trusts-fined-over-mixed-sex-wards/5030056.article

Elendon · 30/07/2017 12:33

I wrote this before.

I was put alongside a transgender woman when experiencing my first miscarriage (12 weeks). I was known to the hospital in question as I'd had life saving surgery to my pelvis just months before (they were all incredibly sad that this had happened - thankfully I did give birth to a daughter a year later).

They were excellent in getting rid of the patient because they just came into my closed curtain bay post surgery and thankfully I was able to reach the button for alerting the nurses.

I was given an apology the next day. I was thankful for the swift response. This was in the early 90s.

Elendon · 30/07/2017 12:35

Actually, other women on the ward did press the alert button as well.

MadgeMidgerson · 30/07/2017 12:38

This article makes many good points but I doubt it will matter. There no sex, only gender now, and officially anyone can be whatever they want. Thus as long as anyone says they are a woman they can be on the same ward as other women without breaking any rules.

Sad
AssignedMentalAtBirth · 30/07/2017 12:42

Just read that Observer article in the bath and was coming on to post it. So Catherine Bennett is gender critical then? Excellent news. Hopefully more articles to come

VestalVirgin · 30/07/2017 12:47

There'll no doubt be attempts to silence the newspapers.

I hope they'll react to those attempts by writing articles on how genderists try to silence them.

TheFaerieQueene · 30/07/2017 12:51

Would any member of the conservative government want to stay, or have any of their family stay, on a mixed sex ward? I doubt it.

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 30/07/2017 13:22

Pink News is on the case with the Times article

I think I'm going to subscribe

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/07/30/the-sunday-times-retracts-controversial-anti-semitic-article-but-refuses-to-remove-transphobic-article/?utm_source=PNT&utm_content=MB

Elendon · 30/07/2017 13:23

This link form the article does express a lot

islingtontribune.com/article/we-wont-stand-for-barbican-gender-neutral-loos-say-women

VestalVirgin · 30/07/2017 13:28

Would any member of the conservative government want to stay, or have any of their family stay, on a mixed sex ward? I doubt it.

That's what I always wonder when women support self-identification and similar shit.

I suppose they're so stinking filthy rich that they can pay extra for single rooms, have their own pool at home so don't worry about public changing rooms, same for gym, etc.

Money can buy a woman the illusion of not being oppressed under patriarchy. And if she can amass more money by throwing other women under the bus ... well, the temptation is strong, I am sure.

That all won't help her if she has a heart attack and even her privately paid for doctor doesn't know the symptoms of a heart attack in women because research was always done only on men.

But it is a very comfy life, most of the time.

And as for men, well, rich men obviously very much profit from throwing poor men under the bus; there's not even indirect harm to themselves.

Elendon · 30/07/2017 13:29

I'm particularly puzzled by this statement from Stonewall from the article I linked to above.

A spokesman for the equality charity Stonewall said: “It’s good to see the Barbican recognise how important gender-neutral facilities are to so many individuals.

*“This is a great step and should be applauded. However, it’s important to ensure there are facilities that everyone feels comfortable using.

“Before introducing changes like this, we advise businesses to research the best way to make their space fully inclusive.”*

WTF? Hmm

VestalVirgin · 30/07/2017 13:29

Oooch, the Times refuses to be censored?

Go them!

Not sure I can afford a subscription via internet, but will look into it.

Datun · 30/07/2017 13:44

MadgeMidgerson

Whilst I agree that changing your legal sex on a form currently gets around the single sex rules, these articles are definitely highlighting the self identification problem. Deliberately.

Not only that, they are showing the ideology up. Many people are criticising them, knowing full well the ideology is scamming everyone.

Elendon

I agree. Stonewall seem to be countering what they normally say. However they commented on that article before this new push for self identification. So they might well be thinking that their disingenuous statement would still have included transwomen in the ladies Legally I mean.

enoughisenough12 · 30/07/2017 14:13

I thought it was pleasing to see so many articles critical of self identification. It is quite breathtaking that Pink News are trying to get the Times to remove Jenny McCartney's piece for transphobia. I went back and read it again - and of course it merely puts forward a range of views - openly and calmly. And yet we are living in a world where some believe that views like this must not be expressed.
Very frightening.

Hellothereitsme · 30/07/2017 14:21

MPs probably have private health insurance. Single Sex rooms for them naturally.

BasketOfDeplorables · 30/07/2017 14:23

Re the Pink News article - I actually think that is pretty offensive. It's dismissive of the anti-Semitic comment to equate it with an argument against self identification.

Datun · 30/07/2017 14:27

From Pink News:

In the transphobic piece, McCartney adds that sexual biology is not “irrelevant” and that “it would be naive to assume that everyone will “self-define” with the purest of intentions, nor is it prejudiced to raise concerns with regard to biological men in all-female areas such as changing rooms.”

They put the word irrelevant in inverted commas!!!

And continue with...

"McCartney’s statements back TERF theories and are dangerous..."

Idiots.

The constant refrain about how dangerous it is for transwomen is belied by the fact that none have ever been murdered in this country. Ever.

I notice that there are no comments under the article.

BasketOfDeplorables · 30/07/2017 14:38

I can't really see any issues with the Times article, it's very measured.

When same sex marriage was being debated, we heard lots of arguments against it, which I did not agree with, but they were treated as a legitimate argument, and I don't recall many people calling for articles to be removed - many people wished for the right to reply, but not censorship.

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 30/07/2017 14:53

Can anyone with a twitter account tweet the Sunday Times and Jenny McCartney with their comments on the article

@mccartney_jenny
@thesundaytimes

VestalVirgin · 30/07/2017 15:28

Re the Pink News article - I actually think that is pretty offensive. It's dismissive of the anti-Semitic comment to equate it with an argument against self identification.

Absolutely. Disgusting. But they are doing the same with racism all the time, so I am not surprised at all.

cuirderussie · 30/07/2017 15:30

Pink News are misogynistic dicks- look at how Ben Cohen went after Helen Lewis on Twitter. I don't know where lesbians go these days if Pink News and Stonewall crap on them as well as TRAs taking over all their spaces.

Elendon · 30/07/2017 16:12

This is the article that exposes Ben Cohen and his anti trans and lesbian sentiments. He is the CEO of Pink News.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/gay-magazine-boss-says-transwomen-who-use-female-change-rooms-should-be-charged-with-indecent-exposure/

BigDeskBob · 30/07/2017 17:56

They put the word irrelevant in inverted commas

That's because fewer MTT are claiming to be born in the wrong body, but are saying sex is irrelevant. No one knows their chromosomes after all Hmm.

I find it amusing when people say "it must dreadful to be born into the wrong body" when many? most? trans love the body they have.

I'm sure the rules will change again, and something else will prove that they are the sex they want to be, even though sex is irrelevant.

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 30/07/2017 18:09

Bob

Well many on instagram seem to love their dicks anyway