Non binary children are actually reinforcing harmful gender binaries!

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www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5q3kb/watch-our-new-documentary-raised-without-gender

Seriously. This boy likes pink. Likes long hair. Thinks he has to say "I am a girl".
Then when he wants short hair and to play football he thinks he has to say "I'm a boy now"

The gran comes on into the video and says "oh well they still like trucks so they must know they are really a boy inside" while this boy is in his pink clothes... As if trucks are something only boys do anyway!

I just want to shout so much!

Why can't a BOY just wear long pink hair braids and be a BOY!? A boy can have pink clothes seriously. If he has a Dick he's a boy in a dress NO problem with that.

These choices do not turn you into a girl.
Just.... aaaaargh stop transing these children.

There's nothing wrong with breaking gender norms without saying you're a different sex to who you are.

www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5q3kb/watch-our-new-documentary-raised-without-gender

Yep. Its homophobic, sexist, and intends to erase gay people.

I completely agree! I try and encourage my 3yo dd to break gender norms but she's still a bloody girl! She likes princesses and rock music at the moment. She wasn't suddenly a boy yesterday for wearing a pair of jeans and a black tshirt. This nonsense just jams them even further into a stereotype. Imagine being a boy who likes a totally innocuous colour and suddenly your mum says you're a girl!

This is chilling. The interviewer encouraged a young girl to consider herself trans. Despite the fact that she said she knew she was a girl because of her body.

4thwavenow.com/2017/07/23/i-just-gave-him-the-language-top-gender-doc-uses-pop-tart-analogy-to-persuade-8-year-old-girl-shes-really-a-boy/

They're all acting like gender stereotypes are irrefutable laws of nature.

Blimey, Datun, that is horrifying. A child says 'I'm a girl because I have this body' and a doctor pushes her into saying that she's actually a boy, because - why exactly? She has short hair? And was possibly wearing trousers?

And if some girls at school don't like your daughter's haircut, why would your reaction be to take them to a gender doctor??

I honestly don't get it.

Taking transitioning to its logical conclusion, those children will have no libido, no sex life, be permanently sterile and on drugs for the rest of their life.

How can you reconcile that with rejoicing when a kid comes out as trans?

A kid revelling in their gender neutrality, is great! Go for it. About time.

But getting on board that they are actually the opposite sex, and by extension need to be medicated and have surgery?

It's positively mediaeval.

This is so diametrically opposed to my own experiences as a child in the 70s and a teenager in the 80s. We had far fewer toys then for a start, and with not much TV either, most of the kids in my street played out, together. Bike riding, den building, assorted ball games, space hoppers, roller skates, skateboards... there really wasn't much that was separated by gender. True, the trainset was my brother's, not mine, but nobody would ever have thought that it signified something wrong when I played with it too.

As a teenager in the 80s, our boyband idols such as Duran Duran were caked in makeup and wore flouncy blouses etc. Nobody told them or us that men couldn't wear makeup, or that this meant that they were really girls. Likewise Robert Smith, David Sylvian, goth bands etc. I seem to have spent my teen years drooling over men with long hair and makeup, and it was all just totally normal to dress how you wanted. When did this all change? Who started pushing boys who liked lipgloss to think of themselves as girls?

Maybe it was a homophobic rejection of 'feminine' men Blanche

I wonder if this would have gone so pear-shaped if we hadn't squeamishly started using a new word, gender, to mean sex? That opened the door to the two words having different meanings, and this opportunity was pounced on as a new chance to tell gay people they're wrong.

Also to tell girls & women that being a woman equals being feminine.

I had the same experience as you in the 70s and 80s. Young people these days (crikey I sound old!) have grown up with much more rigid gender roles, and I think that explains why so many of them don't see gender itself as the real baddie, that could actually be defeated.

By challenging it this way, they're doing their best within the limits they perceive, whereas we remember when the roles weren't set in stone.

Who knew the 80s were the peak of human civilisation

Egads Blanchefleur, are you me? Your childhood and teenage years mirror mine. With extra drooling over Adam Ant.

Ahh, Adam Ant, my first crush WhereYouLeftIt. That's also what my makeup looked like aged 12

It's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucked up.

What the actual fuck.

Why on earth is liking pink and behaving in a certain way supposed to turn people into girls? And not liking pink, cupcakes and fucking princessy stuff turn girls into boys?

Enough already. It should be outlawed under sex discrimination (NOT FUCKING GENDER DISCRIMINATION) to advertise stuff at girl / boys. So that products can still be categorised by type of product and by all means style, colour and of course size rather than men women boys and girls. All gendereded advertising ought to be prohibited.

Because I think that most of this identifying as another sex is because of our consumerist society. It's about products toys, clothes, make up, cars and how these are supposed to be feminine or masculine.

Toilets should be segregated not by fucking gender but by sex. Have vagina? >>>> this way Have a penis? ???? >>>> that way.

ENOUGH.

I agree Fuckoff326 (and am enjoying the username doubling as a response to this nonsense). On consumerism that definitely is a part of it but I think the enforcing of these rigid gender roles is at its heart about the oppression of women and girls and trying to keep us in the roles a patriarchal society has determined for us.

Almost everyone in the Swedish documentary left me puzzled. Del or Mapa seemed utterly obsessed with the idea of rejecting the idea of boys and girls- not rejecting stereotypical boys / girls things but the whole concept of boys and girls.

What is so terrible about acknowledging he has 2 sons and letting them be who they want to be?

This is chilling. The interviewer encouraged a young girl to consider herself trans. Despite the fact that she said she knew she was a girl because of her body

Isn't it also a huge violation of patient confidentiality for this doctor or the mother to have it posted on the internet?

The Mom posted her own story with the recording and her daughter probably consented. 4th wave now picked it up.
I just want to give all these people's heads a wobble!
It's not surprising that gender "experts" and American medics do all they can to persuade kids to transition because they are greedy for more patients and all the $$$$ that comes from them.

IMO the only gender experts are radical feminists. (And people who lived in the 80's!)