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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

London Underground to make all their announcement 'gender neutral'

38 replies

biscuitmillionaire · 13/07/2017 23:01

OMFG is it April Fool's Day?
Staff are to be disciplined for committing the sin of saying 'ladies and gentlemen' because it makes some people feel 'uncomfortable'?

bbc link here

This is just mind-boggling. Has the world gone insane?

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VestalVirgin · 14/07/2017 17:14

I don't mind scrapping the connotations that go with 'ladies' that don't appear to apply to gentlemen.

Which would that be?

In Germany, if you want to describe a man as very polite and well-behaved, perhaps with an emphasis on holding doors open for women, the word for that is "gentleman" - yes, the English word.

Does it have that same connotation in English?

Of course, the connotations of "lady" are different, because sexism, but I would not consider "gentleman" a word without connotations outside of "implying someone is landed gentry out of politeness"

(I consider it to have only that connotation in "Ladies and Gentlemen"; not always if "lady" is used on its own)

In Irish the polite term to address a person/people is 'a chara/a chairde' which directly translated means 'friend/friends' - which is nice but comes across a bit threatening in English!

Oh, that's nice. Perhaps one could establish it as normal term - don't Quakers also use it that way?

Or what about "citizen", which is used in the Imperial Radch series.

I like "comrade" but then, I lean left politically. Not exactly a neutral term.

PoochSmooch · 14/07/2017 17:17

How about "humans"?

"Humans, we regret to inform you of severe delays on the Circle line, this is due to an unforeseen outbreak of the patriarchy clogging up the tracks".

I do like comrade and citizen, but I can't use them with a straight face Grin

TheCrowFromBelow · 14/07/2017 17:21

Pooch Grin
It makes it sound like the TfL workers are from another planet.
I'd love it if they did.

Kigali04 · 14/07/2017 17:24

God Help us Hmm

G1ggleloop · 14/07/2017 17:28

You know what particularly rules me about this. It's that I've only heard about it through the press. Nothing has been officially been put out at my workplace.
But I might give citizens a whirl tomorrow and see how it goes. I like the sounds of that

JasAnglia94 · 14/07/2017 17:28

Does it really matter?

I mean, it seems a bit petty but it doesn't affect me or the way I live so why should I care? If it allows a small number of people feel more welcome without detriment to myself so why should I care?

The term "everyone" includes everyone, has no negative connotations, and does't offend me (or anyone?)?

I don't get the point in arguing about this change?

PoochSmooch · 14/07/2017 17:30

In the UK, you couldn't use "citizen", though - it would have to be "subject". Which isn't an unattractive option, I quite like the idea of breezing into a meeting and chirping "Hello, subjects!".

G1ggleloop · 14/07/2017 17:36

Maybe humans. But would that offend the dogs on board. And to be honest, some of the 'characters' you see might he hard pushed to be described as human. Perhaps I'll use the next few days at work to trial some different phrases and ask for feedback

BasketOfDeplorables · 14/07/2017 17:43

I'd be up for subjects if the queen made all the announcements

HappyAxolotl · 14/07/2017 17:45

Please please please let them use drag queen Lola's line from Kinky Boots:

Ladies, gentlemen and those who are yet to make up your mind! Grin

VestalVirgin · 14/07/2017 19:33

Happy, they won't, that would be a deathly insult to the nonbinaries. You know, literal violence.

I think I will, in the future, address nonbinaries as "asshole". That's sex neutral - everyone has one - as well as a completely accurate description of their gender presentation. They may think they present as nonbinary, but in fact, all I have talked to eventually showed their true colours and behaved like assholes.

(There's this German comic called "The Little Asshole", where the protagonist is recognized as asshole at birth. Which clearly makes "asshole" a third gender, doesn't it?)

JasAnglia94 · 14/07/2017 19:44

There are some really odd people on MN Grin

I seriously don't get why this bothers people so much when it doesn't affect them?

VestalVirgin · 14/07/2017 19:58

I seriously don't get why this bothers people so much when it doesn't affect them?

Because this all is a symptom of genderism, and genderism does affect us very much.

Your question is like asking why it bothers children, who don't care about their appearance, to have red spots all over their skin -. it bothers them because those red spots are a symptom of chicken pox, which is a disease.

Gender neutral announcements are the symptom, genderism is the disease, and what it causes is the loss of women's privacy, dignity and what little safety from male rape we used to have.

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