So apparently "the Left" is transphobic ...

[VestalVirgin]

... because some people actually ask to not be called "cis".

theestablishment.co/why-trans-activists-cant-trust-the-left-3bfa22928ddd

I read a satire article on the same page and first thought this was parody, too, but no.

It is totally serious.

They actually claim the Left, who submit to all their language rules, are still not good enough allies, because they actually have the cheek to demand that they not be called names they hate - apparently, if lowly cis people call others names they don't like that's "deadnaming" and "transphobia", but heaven forbid a trans ally actually display a will of his own and doesn't want to be called cis.

I wonder when the Left will realize they'll never be good enough and (hopefully) decide to just give it up.

Did they only just notice this? It has been apparent from day one but guess you have to be personally affected before the lightbulb moment occurs!

The left's issue is that it is always divided. There was a news story today about a march for lesbians excluding a rainbow flag with a star of David on it because of Palestine. Everyone is playing 'who's most right-on' and fighting amongst themselves. Reminds me of .

The right has always benefited from far more fluidity and acceptance.

Did they only just notice this?

The transwacktivists or the left?

I think much of the left still hasn't noticed that they will never be good enough trans allies; the only one who seems to be noticing what's going on is the guy who asked to be called non-trans instead of cis.

The author also wrote about how transwomen can get period symptoms on everydayfeminism.

It's all just getting extra bizarre now. My twitter feed is full of women explaining basic biology and how babies are made to a bunch of deluded men.

All of the above Vestal, you can be the best "ally" in the world but you will still always be wrong according to the TRA's

Just on a side note, the NHS has opened a consultation on Gender Identity Services, this is an opportunity to directly impact future policy in this area regardless of which side of the fence you sit. If you are interested in taking part and helping to shape policy by sharing your views please do participate, the NHS are seeking permission from the general public to start sex change surgery from age 17 - have your say:

www.engage.england.nhs.uk/survey/gender-identity-services-for-adults/

Can people who are not UK citizens participate?

At the moment, I am fucking angry and feel like genderist teenagers deserve every mutilation they want to do to their bodies, but it is possible that I will feel differently about it in the future.

feel like genderist teenagers deserve every mutilation they want to do to their bodies, but it is possible that I will feel differently about it in the future

You will. They and the children are the ones I most feel for.

What?!?

Pregnancy and maternity
51.NHS England is of the view that the proposed service specifications do not discriminate against individuals who share this protected characteristic as there are no impacts to this group of people.

I am struggling with this so much at the moment. I have a 12 year old daughter who is ridiculed for being a feminist. She asked me yesterday if it's okay sometimes to just keep quiet. I said you have to live in this world and need to pick your battles. Surviving and getting a decent education is the best way to fight. The misogyny she experiences is far worse than I experienced in the seventies, plus she is told she must be a boy because she likes some trad male things.

The article above is very honest, bend your head and accept your new overlords. To be honest I want more of this mainstream so that people see.

OK, some unclear stuff here:

to more serious problems that can cause extreme distress to trans people and that raise concerns about safety and quality (such as hospitals placing trans people on wrong sex wards;

All through they've been using gender identity, now it switches to sex. I think actually that's interestingly put now I re-read it.

So placing trans people on opposite sex wards raises concerns about safety? Could those be the same concerns that women have had forever and that are now being bulldozed in the name of tolerance? Ugh.

"It's all just getting extra bizarre now. My twitter feed is full of women explaining basic biology and how babies are made to a bunch of deluded men."

I've seen this, women getting into huge convoluted convos, twisting themselves inside out trying to explain what a "woman" is. This has to stop - everyone knows what a woman is - no need to quantify it with huge indepth biological explanations. Stop pandering to this.

Indeed, my pet hate is asking transactivists how they define women. We know what it is!

BetsyM00

Indeed, my pet hate is asking transactivists how they define women. We know what it is!

I've just suggested someone do this on another thread, as their 'gender course' is going down the usual flights of fancy.

And whilst I agree with you that we all know what it means, I sometimes think that it's a good question to ask for the benefit of lurkers.

The question seems to me to be a microcosm of, not only the denial of truth and science, but very effectively shows the erasure of women.

Because they all end up saying anyone who thinks they are.

Definitely going to do that survey.

Datun The question seems to me to be a microcosm of, not only the denial of truth and science, but very effectively shows the erasure of women.

The denial of science is very strange. The very same people (ime!) who are outraged at climate change denial and will use science to dismiss/belittle religion, are spouting shite about sex being a spectrum.

It reveals how so many people just follow an ideology, using whatever they can to support their belief, rather than having a coherant and consistent approach to understanding the world. And this is terrifying because this is pretty much responsible for all the crap in the world - wars, genocides etc.

Re. defining womanhood - what's the best response to "you just see all women as walking vaginas" if you point out biology? (Not that the fucker even asked me, just commented that must be what I think. I hate these bullies.)

Sorry - bully comment is just because it seems like these people just want an "allowed" reason to bully, gang up on, and humiliate certain people, whilst still believing they are good people. Massively in the trans thing, but also in other areas.

It's all so bloody tribal.

TreacleMineRoad

Re. defining womanhood - what's the best response to "you just see all women as walking vaginas" if you point out biology? (Not that the fucker even asked me, just commented that must be what I think. I hate these bullies.)

It is such a stupid, disingenuous comment, and it's quite hard to come back with a one-liner. The explanation of why women are not walking vaginas takes too long. Which is why they say it.

The best retorts I have seen are generally along the lines of 'you are making the usual misogynistic mistake of thinking that because women have a vagina they must be a vagina'.

Or,

By your reasoning that means because I have a liver I must be a liver.

Because I have blue eyes, I must be blue eyes, etc.

If you say all three they generally give up and move on to the usual abuse.

Which is why, on some of the sites I'm on, where women have just had this conversation to the nth degree, the women often don't bother, just saying nice try, dude.

Or the more pithy - just fuck off.

Women are so over itttt.

Because they all end up saying anyone who thinks they are.

Which basically makes trans ideology a matter of 'it's just what I think and that's the end of that'. I.e.: it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, it only matters what I think because my thoughts are a product of my feelings, which are a product of my experience, which are a product of being oppressed by .

And more than anything, my own experience is the totality because no-one else can ever understand my experience, and anyone who disagrees is simply participating in the cultural exercise of oppression.

It is interesting that one is not allowed to reasonably disagree with trans ideology. It is rather like the Marxist view of History. Inalienably right, simply because it defines itself as being right. One is always suspicious of something that does not tolerate being disagreed with, or is unable to have a reasonable discussion about disagreement, or is unable to proven wrong.

Even worse, if the only response is 'you're oppressing me' it rather dangerously undermines anyone else who might actually be oppressed, because eventually the cry of 'oppression' is dismissed like the boy who cried wolf. Dangerous times...

Oppression as a concept has lost all meaning.

Straight, white, well off, middle-class men who have a cross dressing fetish are accusing gay black women of opressing them.

They have zero compunction in saying it. Zero sense of irony, far less justice not to mention reality.

Being oppressed is meant to be a negative state of being. I don't know how it has come to mean something to not only wear as a badge of honour, but also to mean that everything you say is right. And you cannot even be questioned, far less disagreed with.

And yet it's still the tool to beat down any discussion...as to how- the logical progression is quite clear:

P1/ Cultural oppression forms the mileaux of my experience
P2/ My experience of oppression forms my feelings
P3/ My feelings form my thoughts

C1: therefore my thoughts are the thoughts of cultural oppression.

P4/ my thoughts are known only to me because my experiences are unique

C2: because my experiences are unique no one can understand me.

P5/ if you do not understand me you are unable to disagree with me because if you understood you would agree.

FC/ Therefore because I am oppressed I am unable to be disagreed with.

You could also use the post structuralist argument but it gets you the same place eventually.

That's fascinating hiddenmnetter. Exactly how it goes.

And to me, this is where it gets derailed.

P4/ my thoughts are known only to me because my experiences are unique

They're not unique and anyone can understand it.

But being unique and special has to be established for it all to make sense.

"Re. defining womanhood - what's the best response to "you just see all women as walking vaginas" if you point out biology?"

Honestly, this just shows how envious, bitter and angry they are that they don't and can't have one - so the vagina's link to being a woman/female must be destroyed.

bambambini

Precisely. It almost makes me want to say, that's right, I'm one, big, walking, pulsating vagina.

Next question?