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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

14-year-old ds is a TERF!

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explodingkittens · 01/07/2017 09:05

I had the most fascinating conversation with ds yesterday evening, completely out of nowhere. I can't even remember how it started; he was helping me cook dinner and then suddenly we were talking about 'gender non-binary people'.

I asked him if anyone at his school identified as 'non-binary' and he said no, but then started telling me about he'd watched a documentary about a 7-year-old boy who'd liked playing with dolls and so his parents started to give him puberty blockers etc and decided he was trans, etc etc...and ds was just horrified by the whole thing. Couldn't understand why this child just couldn't play with dolls without having to be labelled as trans, etc etc. Thought it was appalling that someone so young should be taking puberty blockers. Told me about someone he'd read about who had taken them and then changed their mind 'because kids do change their mind, don't they?'

He then went on to say how men can't just become women, even if they look like women, and how he'd noticed that it was mostly men saying they were women, not the other way around.

I then cautiously, and hopefully not leading him, asked him what he thought about men who identified as women having access to women's toilets or women's prisons etc. He was adamant that they shouldn't, and in fact he thought it was an odd question - obviously they shouldn't 'because it could be distressing for the real women in there'.

I did then tell him about Danielle Moscato Grin and he was absolutely baffled and incredulous.

The thing that struck me was that, to him it was just 'common sense'. People should be free to wear whatever they want, call themselves whatever they want and live their lives however they want, but the idea that a man can become a woman just because he says so is madness and 'against science'. He even said he didn't understand why T was lumped in with LGBTI 'because it's not the same thing, mum, is it?'

Interestingly he did say that he knew his views were 'a bit out there' and he didn't feel he could say those sorts of things to his peers. I think he was actually quite surprised that I agreed with him. But it's obviously been playing on his mind, and I am really proud of him for being so logical and clear-thinking.

Believe it or not we have never ever talked about this stuff at home - it all just came totally out of the blue. Anyway, just thought I would mention that not all teens have been taken in by the trans cult and there may still be hope yet!

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AlternativeTentacle · 01/07/2017 09:07

Yay!

GuardianLions · 01/07/2017 09:12

Ha ha :)
I wonder how many other kids feel the same, but are frightened to express their views?
Emperor's new clothes...

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 01/07/2017 09:13

Crikey, what a shame he feels he couldn't say so to his peers though. Social ostracism is such a strong disincentive. Interesting that he's picked up on that. My own DS has a ftt in his school so we have had a couple of conversations about this. I've tried to explain that we can be kind and accepting to all people without buying into the trans ideology. My feeling though is that my own DS finds it hard to resist the dominant discourse even though his instinct is that it's not logical or even helpful. Kids have a strong sense of fairness and justice so I do hope this trend won't last.

DJBaggySmalls · 01/07/2017 09:41

Its shocking that among his peers, his views are considered extreme.

explodingkittens · 01/07/2017 10:00

Yeah, I might ask him more about that. I was surprised - he goes to an all-boys school which is very 'traditional' - I can't imagine there are any 'out' trans kids there tbh which is why I asked yesterday. They're more the rugger-bugger types Grin

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NoLoveofMine · 01/07/2017 10:03

Your son is excellent and very perceptive explodingkittens! It's also very reassuring to read of him thinking about this sensibly and seeing the issue as he does.

Interestingly he did say that he knew his views were 'a bit out there' and he didn't feel he could say those sorts of things to his peers.

Unfortunately I can empathise with this. I've posted a few times on here that I feel I'm very much in the minority with my thinking on this amongst my peers. GuardianLions I'm somewhat ashamed to confess I'd be one of those although I do discuss it with a couple of my closest friends and have recommenced bringing it up with some others.

bambambini · 01/07/2017 10:08

That could have been me posting about my 14 yr old son. It came up recently and he thinks its all nonsense. I too avoided discussing it as didn't want to influence them.

VestalVirgin · 01/07/2017 10:45

Congratulations! Your 14 year olds have more common sense than most adults!

venusinscorpio · 01/07/2017 12:33

Brilliant! Your DS is a critical thinker.

VestalVirgin · 01/07/2017 14:32

I think he was actually quite surprised that I agreed with him.

There is fridge horror in that.

What about the parents who actually don't agree with their children, parents who force their children to swallow the trans kool aid?

Children of gender critical feminists going all transwacktivist is heartbreaking, but parents gaslighting an underage child into not trusting her or his own eyes, ears, and logical thinking ... well, it is abusive, isn't it?

I can only hope that it rarely happens, and most women who gave birth won't be fooled into believing that their bodies are a social construct, but there ARE women who gave birth and still identify as transmen (and some surely claim to be men for real) so it must be happening.

It is so horrible on so many levels.

And instead of intervening, as would be done in all other cases of psychological abuse, the governments are aiding and abetting it.

WhereYouLeftIt · 01/07/2017 20:38

Woo-hoo for explodingkittens's DS!

ghostlyghoulie · 02/07/2017 19:14

This story restores my faith in the future. I hope he feels more confident to share his views. He is the future.

Ekphrasis · 03/07/2017 09:39

About a year ago I didn't understand all this. If I'd read this thread first I would have got it instantly! Well done him, and you!

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