Interesting article about sympathetic media views of men who kill their families and the views of an affected family

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www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

This is interesting - these young men are concerned that the press saying their father was a good guy could impact on other men and is victim blaming.

Hats off to them, they've been through a terrible thing with the loss of their mother and sister.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/17/we-didnt-recognise-that-he-was-dangerous-our-father-killed-our-mother-and-sister

Yeah, that's a really bad problem, I'm glad there's two men challenging it, when men challenge it, other men might actually listen. (Women have been pointing this out forever, but, well, no one listens to women, obviously)

Recently there was a case in Germany where a man murdered his wife's children, and what do they title?

"Mother finds dead bodies of her children" and "Family drama".

You'd think at least when they want to get attention, they'd for once title: "Man murders children", i.e. state what happened.

But no, it is a "drama", or the mother just finds their bodies as though they died in a fucking accident!

(If the line about the mother was surrounded by ones adequately informing the reader on who did it, one could view it as "Oh, how horrible, the poor woman", but since that's not the case, it looks suspiciously like yet another attempt to veil the fact of who committed the murder)

There is a long thread in the craicnet section about the shocking reporting around the murder of Clodagh Hawes referred to in the article.

I think it is really to be commended how they are dealing with this and myth busting while supporting women - what a great way to honour the memories of their mum and sister.

It is a heartbreaking article.

I agree with VestalVirgin, reporting may start to change when men point out how dreadful and dangerous it is not to call these men what they are and excuse their crimes, and dangerous to fail to spot the pattern of male violence that exists in our society.

their mother and sister would be proud of them for speaking up so strongly about this. such a touching article.

These two men are brilliant and I have massive respect for them for analysing their family situation so thoughtfully and speaking up. But it is slightly teeth-gritting that they are being listened to and given lots of airtime when women have been saying the same thing for years and been ignored.

It's a great article and they make a very good point. I hope the media pay it some attention.

Those two young men come across as so thoughtful, strong and wise. I'm glad they're getting the chance to speak in the media and decent space to give their perspective.

I read that article earlier and was going to post.

Very interesting and heartbreakingly perceptive of those poor young men

Wow, that is a really powerful article. That's how family annihilators should be reported. Well done to those young men for such thoughtfulness and honesty.

What a distubing article. It's very sad to read about how badly the murderer treated his family for years beforehand. They are brilliant young men.

Here's a link to a powerful article written about Clodagh Hawe which also points out what her husband actually was: m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/stop-making-excuses-for-alan-hawe-he-killed-three-sons-and-wife-with-hatchet-and-knives-35024458.html