'The future is not female'

[TinyRick]

www.argotmagazine.com/first-person-and-perspectives/the-future-is-not-female-it-is-two-spirit-trans-and-non-binary

Want a humorous break from the election?

Well, it would be humorous if it wasn't so offensive. They can sod right off with the phrase "vagina owner". If anyone had referred to me as a vagina owner when I was pregnant I'd have made some serious complaints about such a misogynistic phrase.

Oh I know.

I said 'humorous' because I 'snorted' my way through the ridiculousness.

"The Future Is Female” is a catchy slogan that is being used by trans-exclusionary radical feminists and celebrities currently stuck in third wave feminism. Alluding to “female biological sex” makes trans men suddenly become biologically female"

This was my favourite bit.

Someone has no grip on different feminist waves...

I've seen that mistake before in similar articles, where they clearly don't understand much about the history of feminism. They seem so busy promoting their own world view that they don't stop to apply some critical thought and some fact checking.

What in the name of sanity is 'two-spirit' anyway?

makes trans men suddenly become biologically female

err.. well.. not suddenly as such as already were, and always will be....

The land grab for the word 'female' and trying to suggest that sex is tricky will hopefully be the overreach that finally has people say 'hang on a minute, let's be reasonable here'

I thought "two spirit" was an appropriation of indigenous American culture?

Yeah, and from what I understand, a) they've got it entirely wrong about who these people were, how they lived, and how they were treated, and b) said indigenous are equal parts annoyed and amused by it.

Is the 'two spirit' thing a way to allow trans and non binary individuals to swap gender when it is convenient for them?

nah - it's a way of proving how trans has been around forever.

It's a huge appropriation and generalisation of the culture/practises of people who already have more than their fair share of oppression by white males. Again.

And it fails to make a point about trans being "natural", because as far as I am aware, several (or pretty much all) Native American cultures had pretty rigid gender roles, i.e. exactly the sort of thing that leads to a need of carving out alternative identities for people who don't fit with the mainstream.

The two pussy hat/pussy grabs back references have got me so bewildered-- are they really saying that people should be inclusive of trans women when referencing (and responding to) Donald Trump's famous quote? Do they genuinely think that Trump is interested in sexually harassing trans women too and they feel left out? Do they genuinely think that the pink pussycat hats reference pink vaginas?!? (I think they must mean vulvas here surely?) Am I trying to understand something that cannot be understood?

I'm so confused 🤷‍♀️

No real change then- the future has never been allowed to be female

Only difference is now women are the oppressors

"Not all vaginas are pink"

I'm black. My vagina is the colour ... well I'd need to ask my gynae what colour my VAGINA is... but my vulva is checks a nice fashionable colour block of dusky brown and... dulux tells me it's raspberry diva!!! I love this!!

Anyway, when are they going to fucking give up that "not all fannies are PINK! Get it RIGHT!"
honestly i would just like to stop being grabbed by the pussy. i would like my fellow women to not have their reproductive systems legislated against. I don't care what colour or shape the vagina that gets this to happen is, and if you do, you need to check your priorities and leave the house a bit more.

Finally, when will they realise "vagina owner" and "female" mean the exact. same. fucking. thing. Will it be when trans women also claim that and "people with the capacity to get pregnant"?

Actually Vestal it's a bit more complicated. I think it's a combination of fixed gender roles and lack of political power that are the correlates of two-spirit. (I have a friend who's an anthropologist in an American university and I pick her brains about this kind of stuff). Native American culture varies enormously in both respects, and the two don't necessarily go together. For instance, the Iroquois have very fixed gender roles, but women wield a lot of political power (it's a matrilineal society and land is owned by and farmed by women and passed down the female line). As far as I know they don't have two-spirit people. (Wikipedia says there's a single documented report of two-spirit people in the Iroquois, from a single book written in the early 18th century - incidentally, the wikipedia article appears to have been edited by someone who's very sensitive to correcting the tendency of white writers to impose their own interpretation on Native American Culture, and to appropriate those interpretations for their own political ends. While some white writers have said that pretty much all Native American tribes have some form of two-spirit people, this has been contested by some Native American Writers.)

There are some tribes which have much less rigid gender roles (I may be mis-remembering but I think the Apache are one), while there are others again which have rigid gender roles and women are relatively disempowered.

Typically confusing sex and gender. If they replaced "womanhood" with "femininity" it might make a tiny bit more sense, as "femininity" usually refers to socially-constructed gender roles enforced on people because of their biological sex.

Which is not the same as an essentialist view of men and women.

There is a lack of thinking in the article because they're trying to be all touchy-freely.

Fantastic thread! Still in bed so can't be arsed to take a picture for the dulux colour checker but deffo gonna do this later. After a bacon sandwich maybe.

I swear mine changed colour due to pregnancy. My flaps are now more of a kind of aubergine colour (raspberry diva, I wish ).

I love raspberry diva!

It's unsurprising that sex differences are being discounted.

This is from another thread about the CPS endorsed lessons for trans inclusivity at school. The children are shown a unicorn graphic divided into different categories and they pick the one which reflects their inner feels. Whilst being forewarned that...

"Biological sex is an ambiguous word that has no scale and no meaning besides that it is related to some sex characteristics."

It's all so garbled. The author uses the term 'gender essentialism' when they actually mean 'sex essentialism'. Surely going on the rest of the tripe this person is a firm adherent of 'gender essentialism'.

I swear mine changed colour due to pregnancy

Ah, pregnancy..

That experience that means I felt not a shred of embarrassment stripping my nethers and hopping up onto a bench to let the midwife poke and peer at my post birth (c-section though) vulva which had become inexplicably lumpy (it just went away on its own. God knows what it was).

But what was that about shared experience.

The future is crone island. (At least once the kids are grown up. I will miss my sons, but I'm sure I can go and visit them occasionally and spend the whole time demanding food and lounging on them :D )

Crone Island? Can I come?

I think a lot of us are planning our retirement there Datun. Or at least extended Sabbaticals.