Removing children if parents don't support transition

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This is terrifying. What counts as not supporting gender expression? Parents will be having to buy those clothes etc. Is it now mandated to buy your child exactly what they want? Will children be removed from parents concerned about puberty blockers and hormones as well?

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Jeez that's terrifying! And at what age does this start exactly? My 2 year old regularly says she's a boy but that doesn't mean she should transistion! If it's teens or something a like then that's a bit different but if it's 3 / 4 / 5 etc year olds then no way should this be happening!

If parents are emotionally abusing a child for any reason whatsoever then hard decisions have to be made about what is best for thebchikd.

This link is about the policy in Canada, where social services run (generally) to a high standard.

There will be no set age but a consideration, as in all cases of emotional abuse, of the full picture and the harm it is causing.

Did I read that article correctly? Did they remove two foster children because the parents refused to pretend that the Easter Bunny was real? The Easter Bunny?? That child services objected on the basis that the Easter Bunny is a strong part of Canadian culture?

The same child services that are saying you must lie to your child about what constitutes a male or female or they will be taken away?

Apart from the insanity of legally allowing children to dictate their upbringing, what happens to the 80% of trans identifying children who realise it's just a phase?

Where is the legal, (bloody legal), line to be drawn? What if your seven-year-old wants to go to school in hotpants and a cropped top? Is that suddenly deemed the province of a parent?

What about children with body dysphoria? Are parents supposed to tell them that it is real? Are they giving anorexics laxatives?

This is lunacy. And utterly chilling.

The problem is Winnie that these young adolescents get drawn in to the gender stuff on tumblr etc who tell these children that anything other than unquestioning acceptance of sudden onset 'gender dysphoria' (which is real but rarely comes on all of a sudden, especially after spending a lot of time posting in these toxic communities) is abusive.

Adults on these forums will send children free binders and coach them on what to say to the doctor to get hormones. They will tell these children of this law as a way of getting their way despite parental concerns. It is a form of grooming and fairly prevalent at the moment.

The fact the law is on the groomers side is chilling.

This is unsupportable. the fact that Minister of Child and Family Services Michael Coteau considers normal parenting to be abuse is very concerning.

WinnieTheW0rm wrote - "There will be no set age but a consideration, as in all cases of emotional abuse, of the full picture and the harm it is causing."

The cases will be processed through the biased lens of transgenderism dogma that governments believe is liberal and progressive and which they support. The starting point will be acceptance of gender identity as fact and innate, and a belief that sex can be changed and should be changed. The child will be assumed to be transgendered until proved otherwise. That is very much not "the full picture".

That's horrific my 4 yr old regularly says he's a puppy, should I support it or just ignore him woofing round my ankles.

Back when we were 17/18 my best friend seriously considered a sex change. She bought men's clothes, began living as a man, went to the GP started down the road. She was forced into counselling before they would allow hormones. She worked out in counselling that she didn't actually want to be a man at all, she had used her limited experience (limited by age) and in a nutshell thought it would be easier to be a man than be a lesbian.

We are now decades down the line and she is very happy with life now, I wonder though if such a policy as this one had been in place where she would be today?

Annie I am interested in stories like your best friend's. Would they be willing to share their experiences and maybe give advice to someone in that same situation now?

What is the Canadian system for child protection like? Does it not go through the courts? Is there no scrutiny?

Because all the points in this thread are the sort of thing that should be weighed up by the court in light if the actual circumstances if the individual family, and I would be rather shocked if that were not the case. Emotional harm cases can be difficult, and should attract a high level of scrutiny and the opportunity for both sides to present their cases to a judge. Does that really not happen in Canada?

winnietheworm the Canadian system allowed Karla Homolka (notorious serial killer who assisted her husband to rape and murder minors) to keep her own children, and volunteer in an elememtary school.
So I wouldn't put too much faith in the Canadian system, tbh. In fact, I would probably do the opposite of what they recommend.