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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Best voting quiz for womens issues?

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IndominusRex · 02/06/2017 11:22

I'm trying to find one of those 'who should you vote for' quizzes that properly addresses women's rights in its queations - does anyone know of one?

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BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 08:09

Argh just lost my post! Bloody phone.
I haven't got a link to why you're asking unfortunately. But as I said first time I think the reasons for a woman to not vote Tory or ukip are obvious.
The greens support allowing children to change gender without parental consent. A third legal gender for non binary people. Making it easier for transgender people to change gender and their birth certificate. They support the full decriminalisation of all aspects of prostitution.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 08:13

Green manifesto
Prostitution and the Sex Industry
RR550 The Green Party believes that the law should not seek to regulate consensual sexual activities between adults where those do not affect others. Where there are such effects, a balance must be reached. Adults should be free to do as they wish with their own bodies, and to practice whatever form of sexual activity they wish by themselves or with each other by mutual consent. This includes the freedom not only to engage in such sexual acts, but also to be photographed or filmed doing so, to make such images available to other adults with their consent, and to be able to view such images. That someone might receive payment for any of these activities should not affect this freedom.

RR551 Regardless of generally accepted standards of public morality in the past, no attempt to end various aspects of prostitution with prohibitive laws has worked. In addition, with the availability of sexually explicit material via the internet it is not realistic to expect that censorship laws will be able to stop access to such material in the future.

RR552 For the reasons given above, the Green Party believes that attempting to stop the sex industry by using prohibitive laws is neither desirable nor realistic.

RR553 Criminalisation of many parts of the sex industry leaves those working within it in a vulnerable position. They are often unable to turn to the law for help in cases where their rights are violated, and instead fall prey to criminal gangs and pimps.

RR554 Therefore, all aspects of sex work involving consenting adults should be decriminalised. Restrictions and censorship of sexually explicit material should be ended, except for those which are aimed at protecting children. Workers in the sex industry should enjoy the same rights as other workers such as the right to join unions (See WR410), the right to choose whether to work co-operatively with others etc. Decriminalisation would also help facilitate the collection of taxes due from those involved in sex work. Legal discrimination against sex workers should be ended (for example, in child custody cases, where evidence of sex work is often taken to mean that a person is an unfit parent).

RR555 The Green Party recognises that, although people should be free to engage in sex work if they wish, this is an industry which can be more exploitative than others, and those who work in it should be adequately protected against such exploitation. There should be zero tolerance of coercion, violence, or sexual abuse (including child abuse). Those who have been trafficked into the country and forced to work in the sex industry against their will should receive protection under the law (see MG450-454). There should be legal support for sex workers who want to sue those who exploit their labour unfairly, and access to re-training for those sex workers who want to leave the industry. As far as possible, public services, the Government and legal system should aim to end those social attitudes which stigmatise those who are, or have been, sex workers.

RR556 Regular health checks should be available to all sex workers, free of charge (see H300), to protect both them and their clients.

RR557 The use of commercial premises as brothels should be legalised, and such brothels should be subject to licensing by local authorities to ensure protection of those working there and clients from abuse, and protection of the local community from nuisance and abuse. Some prostitutes choose to work from home, or similarly in residential premises, like some other trades. Such use of primarily residential premises should be permitted without a licence being required, subject to the avoidance of nuisance and abuse. This exemption from licensing requirements should still apply if more than one person works in such premises, provided that such activities take place on a sufficiently small scale that they are not tantamount to a commercial brothel.

RR558 The decriminalisation of prostitution should not require all prostitutes to work in regulated brothels. Doing this would still leave a criminalized street prostitution market. Those workers whom regulated brothels chose to employ would work legally, and those who not so employed would still work illegally on the streets. In order to protect those street workers (often the most vulnerable) the law shall not criminalize their activity.

RR559 Laws against soliciting should be repealed, and issues of "public nuisance" should be dealt with under general legal provision against nuisance. In order to minimise any such nuisance, wherever possible particular areas should be designated where street prostitutes can work in safety without upsetting local residents and traders. Such areas should be decided by negotiation between the police, prostitutes and/or their representatives, and the residents and/or their representatives. Local authorities and the health service should ensure that such street workers have ready access to health facilities and advice about the health risks of their work.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 08:14

Trans rights
RR520 The Green Party recognises that there are many gender identities that are within, and outside of, the traditional gender binary of man and woman. The Green Party recognises that trans men are men, trans women are women, and that non-binary identities exist and are valid. We shall respect transgender and non-binary people's identities as real. The Green Party shall include, and push for further acceptance of, transgender and non-binary people within all areas of society.

RR521 The Green Party supports the removal of the “spousal veto”, where trans individuals require written permission from their partner for their marriage to continue if they obtain a gender recognition certificate.

RR522 The process of transitioning through the NHS should empower rather than demean trans people. Gender Identity Clinics should consult service users on how to better recognise trans people's own expertise and experience in service provision.

RR523 The NHS should better recognise the increasing need for Gender Identity Clinics and increase service provision, across the country

RR524 The NHS should remove barriers to accessing services for trans people, with thorough review of access to services for Children and Young People and for those who have self prescribed or self funded gender treatment in the UK or abroad

RR525 The Green Party would push for root and branch efforts to address transphobia in society, initiating public education programs both in schools and wider society. Current anti-discrimination legislation should be reviewed so as to provide protection to all trans individuals. Current exemptions to anti-discrimination legislation should be scrapped

RR526 A Green Government would review the Gender Recognition Act 2004, the Equalities Act 2010 and the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 as they contain significant flaws that discriminate against some Trans people and thus they are not fit-for-purpose.

The Green Party recognises the following issues and would ensure the reviews of the acts outlined above resolves the following issues:
• There is currently NO legal recognition for non-binary people
• There is currently NO legal recognition for trans youth (trans people under the age of 18)
• There is no provision for the alteration of birth certificates for intersex people
• Married trans people in England require permission from their spouse before gaining Legal Recognition (the spousal veto)
• Trans people are often forced to conform to stereotypical gender roles before being able to transition
• There are few protections for trans people to access services and gendered spaces (such as toilets, sporting facilities or hospitals) that match their affirmed gender.

In sport, trans people are often ‘outed’, subjected to humiliating treatment, forced to provide unnecessary medical details and proofs of ‘genital surgeries’ that have no relevance to the stated aim of ‘ensuring that all of the same gender compete on a level playing field’. This is due to the extensive amount of exemptions contained within the existing Gender Recognition Act, not least of which is that a trans person’s birth certificate does not have the same legal standing as a cis person’s.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 08:22

The WEP support the Nordic model and also support anyone who believes they are a woman to identify as such. They've done several informative web chats on MN. They also support making men legally allowed to stay over night on maternity wards and further rights for fathers, including non resident fathers regarding paternity leave.
They consulted with men's groups on these ideas.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/2617026-Webchat-with-Sophie-Walker-leader-of-the-Womens-Equality-Party-and-London-Mayor-candidate-Tuesday-19-April-at-noon

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 08:28

Libdems
In 2014, a group of trans organisations came together to produce a "Trans Manifesto" - a document asking political parties to commit to better equality for trans people. We are pleased that these "asks of political parties" were already items under discussion as part of the latest equlities paper, and were debated, voted on and passed as policy of the entire Liberal Democrat party in Autumn 2014.
lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/trans-manifesto

www.independent.co.uk/voices/prostitution-sex-lib-dems-penis-rights-decriminalisation-kerb-crawling-brothel-keeping-a7591511.html%3Famp

Because the Lib Dems also want to wipe all convictions for kerb-crawling and brothel-keeping, allowing the exploiters the same clean start as the exploited.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/careers-officers-could-suggest-prostitution-8858826.amp

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/06/2017 08:58

But as I said first time I think the reasons for a woman to not vote Tory are obvious

Really? The most important issue for me is tactically voting to keep the SNP out, which may mean voting Conservative. I'm not aware of the Tories promoting the sort of bollocks you have just listed.

The Green manifesto is appalling.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 09:00

Labour
I am in favour of decriminalising the sex industry. I don’t want people to be criminalised. I want to be [in] a society where we don’t automatically criminalise people. Let’s do things a bit differently and in a bit more civilised way.”

That's a quote from Jeremy Corbyn but thats not party policy. He's done some very interestingly webschats where he ignored very basic questions from mumsnetters on prostitution and gender identity.

action.labour.org.uk/page/-/150414%20women%27s%20manifesto%20final.pdf

d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/lgbtlabour/pages/223/attachments/original/1446055384/Securing_Trans_Equality_(October_2015).pdf?1446055384

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/06/2017 09:14

Corbyn is appalling too. I actually want Labour to lose badly so they will dump him. Yes, when I'm not wavering towards the Tories I am a Blairite.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 09:14

The above is mostly nonsense lass, I agree. BUu as long as women bare the brunt of austerity measures (which makes them more likely to enter prostitution in the first place) it's never the better choice. A party that wrote in a rape clause to make it OK that it would be financially fucking over mothers isn't pro woman to me.

BabyLedWhining · 03/06/2017 09:21

I think this may be a case of vote for the party that's least crap on women's rights as no one weirdly, not even the wep seems to actually care that much.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/06/2017 11:17

The bookies are offering 2/5 for a Lib Dem win , 5/2 for SNP , 10/1 for Conservative and 100/1 for Labour in my constituency so it looks as if I'll be voting Lib Dem.

NoLoveofMine · 03/06/2017 11:50

BabyLedWhining I concur. Definitely not the Greens, Lib Dems or Tories I'd say. I understand why you're voting as you are tactically Lass though assume you know the Lib Dem policy on prostitution. I'm interested in how the SNP will do in Scotland - do you think they'll lose a number of seats?

My constituency is one of the most marginal in London; Labour's majority from the Tories is just over 200 and only those two and the Lib Dems are standing. If I could vote it'd be Labour even though I'm not keen on Corbyn (and don't think he's too bothered about women's rights - he also supports legalising prostitution I think).

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 03/06/2017 12:01

I'm interested in how the SNP will do in Scotland - do you think they'll lose a number of seats?

They should lose some. That idiot Corbyn has probably made it harder for Labour given he has never made any clear commitment to upholding the Union and has been undermining Kezia Dugdale.

NoLoveofMine · 03/06/2017 12:47

I expect they'll be around the 45 mark though am no expert of course, only going by what I've read! I agree on Corbyn allowing the Tories to presumably frame themselves as the party of the Union which is a shame as I quite like Kezia Dugdale and lack of seats in Scotland will make it rather difficult for Labour in this election.

IndominusRex · 03/06/2017 17:59

I agree it's definitely a case of least crap. Which is so depressing!

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Rumandraisin1 · 05/06/2017 20:51

Glad to have found this thread. I've been looking at the parties' manifestos regarding women's issues, in particular the trans issue, and it is depressing reading. My options here (as I wouldn't consider voting Tory or UKIP) are Labour, LibDem and Green. The LibDem and Green Party manifestos are very concerning in terms of protecting women and women's spaces - Labour doesn't seem much better but may be the least worsetoption. At the moment I'm thinking I'll be voting Labour - who wouldn't have been my first choice otherwise - on the basis that they might be slightly less crap for women. Sad

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/06/2017 22:20

Wasn't Clare's Law policy and the creation of coercive control as a crime brought in under May's time as Home Secretary?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/06/2017 22:22

I've been looking at the parties' manifestos regarding women's issues, in particular the trans issue, and it is depressing reading. My options here (as I wouldn't consider voting Tory or UKIP) are Labour, LibDem and Green

I am astonished that if women's issues are a factor in making your choice you would pick the Green Party.

NoLoveofMine · 05/06/2017 22:35

Rumandraisin1 that'd be a key part of how I made my mind up who to vote if I was able to and agree none of the parties seem great on women's issues. Labour are probably the "least worst" but Corbyn is in favour of legalising prostitution and I'm not sure how good Labour are on women's spaces.

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