Feminism and Religion

[scottishdiem]

I was wondering what you all thought of this:

It really is time that women re-embraced the wearing of the veil, with the knowledge that it does not weaken us, rather it empowers by denoting our hallowed status as life-givers.

I have recently moved to Ireland and the dominance of the Catholic Church, although still very prevalent, is on the wane. I cant help think that this kind of think wants to put women back in a box. What do you think?

Exactly!

Professor Hawking says something interesting in his last book, that it seems physical properties are universal, and that if there is a God she is very hands-off.

I like to think, whether Professor Hawking means it in this way or not, it is a good way to think about religious involvement with the corporeal. That perhaps on a personal spiritual level one is free to hold religious views, but that trouble arises when one attempts to apply to others.

LassWiTheDelicateAir
I've not said you are telling me it's the correct way.

I have said that I am wary of anyone (religious or otherwise) claiming they have the answers.

you are presumably saying it is illogical to have a firm belief there is no deity?
Yes. The most logical belief is agnosticism.

To make a claim that there is/isn't a deity is to make an extra inductive leap.

Though I would disagree with saying a belief either in a deity or none is illogical.

Both are logical and can be arrives at logically. But a belief statement either way involves an inductive jump.

So the MOST logical position is agnosticism.

you are presumably saying it is illogical to have a firm belief there is no deity?
Yes. The most logical belief is agnosticism.

To make a claim that there is/isn't a deity is to make an extra inductive leap

An agnostic is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

How is that the most logical position ? It still requires a belief in something. All that agnosticism is saying is you cannot know whether the something is Jehovah or Jove.

Agnosticism requires the belief of the measurable facts in front of you. There is not evidence for a God. There is no evidence for there not being a God. It is the most logical position.

You can say that requires belief but it shows a misunderstanding of the word belief. Its like saying you believe you breath air. Or you believe you drink liquids. Or you believe in the gravity that attaches you to this planet.

That sort of belief with evidence is not the same as belief without evidence. It is logical to belief we breath because we can see and measure it. It is not logical to have exactly the same level of belief in something we do not know is there, we cannot see and we cannot measure.

By that reasoning it is "most logical" to be agnostic about leprechauns and fairies and ghosts. I'm happy making that little leap to come down on one side.

In real life, if you don't make that leap, and instead hold up the Rules Of Logic as proof that your position is The Most Logical, you look like a fool.