The murder of Bethany Hill

[Bragadocia]

In the Commons yesterday, Jess Phillips read a list of women murdered by men in the past year. According to Hansard, Bethany Hill did not appear on this year's list, not last year's (her death was on 3 February 2016, the conviction of her killers was January 2017).

Bethany was murdered by a man and transwoman. Why has Bethany's death not been acknowledged?

Bragadocia

It's not word-of-mouth. It's on newspaper reporting. She gets alerted through word of mouth. She checks it out herself. It's all completely backed up including the trial if there is one.

It's just that often these things get reported locally and not nationally. She merely compiles them into a list.

saskia

The report I read didn't say he was trans until the bottom quarter of the article. The first three quarters just called him by his female name and didn't mention it.

Journalist guidelines are that you cannot mention if the person is trans unless it is pertinent to the case.

Bragadocia.

K I-S's work is also part of a PhD thesis I believe, so suggestions that it might not stand up to scrutiny are unwelcome. A good friend's mother is on the list, the mere fact that K I-S wades through this particular sewer of men's behaviour toward women is valued and valuable.

I don't think that anyone is implying that Karen is doing anything less than stellar work, however I'm unnerved that she is the only source tracking this. Surely this should be compiled amongst police reports or by the ONS? Are they so blasé about tracking other murder statistics?

Can I just clarify, as I didn't mean to offend - what I meant by 'word of mouth' is a reliance on people noticing and reporting (in this case press reports), rather then by some official source (I don't know, police data, CPS or something). I certainly wasn't suggesting gossip or anything like that.

I think it's very valuable to collect this information. But the numbers can't be relied upon as 'statistics' if people are omitted, even if not intentionally.

In Feb 2016, this murder was reported in the BBC, ITV, the Mail, the Sun, the Independent, as well as the local Midlands press. That's significant coverage.

EyeStye to qualify for this list, what is required is: "killed by men, or where a man is the principal suspect."

Sorry, 'qualify' is an awful word to use to describe women's murders.

Police forces and the ONS have been reporting crimes by selfdeclared gender for years.

I've fact checked this myself.

So 100 women murdered by 100 men in the ONS statistics does not necessarily mean what people think it does.

Each individual case that makes the news has to be taken with a pinch of salt until you can reliably ascertain the sex of victim/perpetrator. It is often not what it is reported to be.