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Misgendering conviction overturned

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roseshippy · 06/02/2017 13:53

But only just.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4190064/Entrepreneur-hauled-court-hate-crimes.html

Basically: Joanne Gullon is ex-army, and has been living as a woman since 2014.

Vernon Mussington is a businessman who doesn't appear to know Gullon.

Gullon claims that:

(a) in October or November 2015 Mussington said 'alright geezer' to Gullon in the street and laughed while looking between Gullon's legs. However the policewoman present did not Mussington being there.
(b) 2 weeks later Mussington was accused of doing the same thing - however Gullon's description of the offender did not match Mussington at all
(c) January 2016 Gullon is filmed ranting to Mussington after claiming Mussington said 'alright geezer'. However the film does not capture Mussington saying anything at all.

Mussington was convicted in magistrates' court but this was overturned on appeal, on the basis that while 'alright geezer' is offensive (although Mussington claims he was just saying hello, and it was a normal greeting and due to Gullon's clothes had no idea that Gullon was a transwoman), the offence requires a 'course of conduct'.

I wonder if you could be convicted of hate crimes for calling a transwoman a 'he' or a 'man', e.g., on Twitter. I assume so.

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BenLinusatemyhomework · 13/02/2017 19:21

It's precious isn't it.

I dont suffer from female socialization because I was socialised as a male.

The things that bother you don't bother me so if you are suffering, be like me... don't have female socialization... and if you still do then... erm... that must be your fault for, you know, not being like me I mean why wouldn't you want to be like all this fabulosity ?.

I pity anybody trying to pit their wits against the intellectual giant that is Theryn.

Datun · 13/02/2017 19:38

Ben

I had intended finding the videos that Lass spoke of but as this one had me reaching for the blood pressure cuff and emptying my Valium into my Jack Daniel's, I thought it best not.

Despite Theryn looking very pretty facially, and fairly feminine, the mindset is so undeniably male and, I'm going to say it, ignorant - it would be laughable, if it wasn't so sad. Sad and dangerous.

BenLinusatemyhomework · 13/02/2017 19:48

Oh Theryn is hands down 100 times prettier and more feminine than me, still doesn't make them female though... or in a position to comment on female socialization.

I can't really watch Theryn, it's like waiting for paint to dry before they actually get to the badly constructed, often completely erroneous point and the hair flicking, pause to make 'girl face' stuff gives me the rage.

Datun · 13/02/2017 20:21

'girl face' stuff gives me the rage.

That and the no time to get out of my sports bra, despite having enough time to do full hair and make up.

BenLinusatemyhomework · 13/02/2017 21:37

That's cos you're less of a women than Theryn. If you were a proper women, you would know that there is always enough time to hair and make up, especially if you stop wasting time with actual "thinking" and stuff.

vernon1964 · 14/02/2017 01:21

Good point floggin Molly

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