Burlesque

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I am being 'convinced' to go to a burlesque night. To my mind is no different to going to a strip club. But these are normal intelligent women asking me to go with them... Is my idea of them wrong? Are they empowering like hell they are? Are they harmless fun? It's weird I live through 'ladette' days when we apparently had to be ok with porn and strip clubs like hell.

Help me.

Just tell them you don't want to go.

It's not about them it's about you. They could be Marie Fucking Curie for all I'd care. You don't need to explain yourself just say no.

It sounds as though you have already made up your mind OP. Tell your friends "no".

No, they aren't and you simply say no and do something better instead.

It's no different from stripping. It's about as empowering as slaves fetishising their chains.

Burlesque is not the same as stripping

If the women who do it want to do it ( and earn bloody good money) I don't see the problem? I wouldn't do it but I can see how it's empowering for some women to feel sexy ... why don't you think it's empowering?
These women get paid well to do something they love I don't see the problem

Went to a place in Soho ages ago which did a meal and show and they had Burlesque acts and was really rather beautiful and clever. But then as a curvy lass I think there is nothing wrong with this and nowt wrong with showing a body. And before I get slated they even had a male performer!

What they do is an art form to me.

And it was nothing like a strip club. No one shoved a thonged arse in our faces or danced in a bored manner round a pole with their tits out. (also some pole dancers are AMAZING!)

You don't want to go then don't go. It's not exploitation, it's just what those performers want to do. And why not!

What is the power that is obtained with stripping or burlesque?

Burlesque is just a group of people who want to appear cool watching a group of people who want to appear cooler. Its an enormous wannabe cringe.

Neverknowing, women (and men) walk around feeling sexy all the time. It's a completely ordinary state of affairs, not empowerment.

but I can see how it's empowering for some women to feel sexy ... why don't you think it's empowering? but I can see how it's empowering for some women to feel sexy ... why don't you think it's empowering?

How on earth is feeling sexually aroused "empowering" ? It's just a physiological reaction - it neither gives nor takes power.

Depends on where you are going but often the women don't strip off to total nudity, they'll have sparkly nipple pasties and something covering the vag.

It's a more rounded show experience than just stripping. Humour and dance is mixed in, sometimes singing. There's more kitch accessories too.

Some of it is very well thought out Crazy Horse in London is quite elaborate and tightly choreographed. Others like Volupte Lounge are more improvised...

I've been on hen nights / reunions etc at Burlesque shows usually with other women. Don't consider it to be really great or anything but it's a giggle. Def nothing "empowering" about it, watching it or performing it.

OP ,you might suggest to your friends that it is abhorrent being abusive and simply a form of pornography-which it undoubtedly is, the more so as women are fooled into thinking it 'art' or 'empowering'- but probably a simple 'No' would be better.

It's just stripping by another name for old, fat goths isn't it?

I unfriended someone on fb, who was complaining about some disgusting woman 'flopping her tits out' and daring to bf her baby on the train back from London one night. I had the nerve to point out that she was on her way back from a 'burlesque night' and asked her what was so bad about nipples being covered by a baby rather than tassels!