HOUSE!

[FreshwaterSelkie]

Anyone fancy a game of derailment bingo?

Eyes down for a full house.

First to call it wins a year's supply of dungarees.

"but coordinates are more mystifying. We should use both..."
Yeah, but cartesian or polar? Surely, polar coordinates are more inclusive (being a whole circle of 360 degrees) and more womanly (a wrapped all-enclosing, nurturing circle), rather than the judgey (positive and negative), so linear and frankly phallic axes of the rectilinear cartesian system? Come on laydees, you can't seriously expect to win your dungarees with such a patriarchal system of reference..........................

Sorry mrstp
The fuckers.

Ohhh.. so thats what those numbers are.

If a recent poster of pedagogical persuasion comes calling again, can we just show him that and ask if he was using it as a crib sheet?

No Xeno I bit too. Not your fault! I vote for coordinates.

I am young and didn't want to say anything but hoping my input is alright - I don't know why anyone responds to the blanant trolling/men attempting wind ups in other threads. I ignored certain posters from the first time I joined and they started criticising and attacking me last week. If everyone ignored them, they'd go away. All they wish to do is derail threads and attack women/feminists.

Your thread definitely wins this week, mrsTP! Some awesome red dungarees, a pair of DMs, and a lovely ethnic scarf woven by a Guatemalan women's fair trade collective are winging their way to you now.

Sorry for my part at biting at the derailing.

I know what you mean, amy, and I do sort of agree with you. BUT I also think it is important to challenge crap behaviour and male territorial pissings on the board, and to show that it just won't fly here. Ignoring can be seen as sort of tacit acceptance.

There are always more people lurking than reading, and while taking apart anti feminist postings probably won't ever change the view of the authors of them, it might just productive for other people reading.

You're correct of course Amy, and I had resolved to do the same with them, but I am human and fallible and they piss me off.

Also, if they're attacking me, then they're leaving someone else alone, and I just think they're a joke.

Maybe we could persuade MNHQ that a high enough bingo score should lead to a ban. Hell, maybe it should even be in the talk guidelines...if you're on a thread and you indulge in several of these tactics then you're not interested in constructive engagement. You're not being clever, you're being boring and/or annoying.

Re coordinates - cartesian with the origin bottom LHS fgs.

I'm definitely with Amy on this score. I think that engaging with them simply fuels their fires and takes energy away from women, directs it to men and keeps us from discussing issues that are key to us. Instead of considering (for example) how right wing misogynistic men operate (as Mrs TP's thread was asking) we ended up in a fight about issues that were set by men. I reckon one of these sends a thousand words

or even a biscuit (although I can't figure out the connection between a biscuit and 'no comment'.

Hopefully, lurkers will get drawn in to the nuances of debate and discussion ... for all we know the constant bickering with a bunch of bellends could be turning them away in droves (which is what our misogynistic little maties no doubt want).

Says me, anyway.

The non-engagement is easy in the case where the first post is clearly trolly/goady - its the cases where initially the person appears to be trying to discuss the topic which tend to get derailed I think.

I see what you both mean Selkie and Xenophile. It doesn't help to only ignore any challenges and is good to debate. Some though clearly have no intention of constructive debate. Having said that I appreciate it when posters have supported me when said people have had a go at what I've said so I should understand why people do respond to them, supporting other posters is important!

Spartacus that's what I thought. It's the derailing of threads which is exasperating, they take them in another direction to suit their own agenda away from what the topic actually is. Their input is also inane and offers nothing. They are getting close to a "house" though

I knew there would be an argument about coordinates! If feminists can't even unite on this trivial issue what can we agree on? Eh?

How about the middle as (0,0)?

So SomeDyke on polar coordinates: (2,0).

The non-engagement is easy in the case where the first post is clearly trolly/goady - its the cases where initially the person appears to be trying to discuss the topic which tend to get derailed I think.

Yes, you are right of course, as is Amy when she says that of course posters should be defended from abuse. I guess, though, that once a bogus poster has trolled / derailed once I'm a bit more hesitant about giving them a second chance ...

One thing which I think would be helpful would be not merely to try to ignore, but to engage with sensible posts. So when a GF tries an obvious derailment, scroll back through the thread to the last sensible comment, name-check the person in question, and respond to that sensible comment. Effectively try to talk over the heads of the derailers.

I quite fancy eastings and northings for the Bingo card - that would be suitably obscure.

Some awesome red dungarees, a pair of DMs, and a lovely ethnic scarf woven by a Guatemalan women's fair trade collective are winging their way to you now. That's Christmas sorted.

link to the winning thread or it didn't happen? (aka I cba to work out which thread it is)

There are a few but mrstps is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2786276-Sexism-Racism-Both?msgid=65074916#65074916

Amy - I get what you mean about ignoring but I think it's always good for at least one post to take their argument apart, for any lurkers out there.

Thanks Devi for the linky.

I agree that passive resistance might work better. But sometimes I just want to give someone the sharp edge of my keyboard.

I think that posting up the derailing bingo card straight after a derail post with the relevant sections named can do it. Makes it nice and clear that we've noticed and aren't just making shit up.

I do think that some people are so used to only talking about things from a male pov that they just don't even know what they're doing. To them, a conversation just somehow feels wrong unless they're hearing the male voice. A bit like people who find listening to women's voices painful.

(I'm not new, it's a NC).

Pooch Post the derailment bingo card! Then disengage.

I'm feeling scrappy at the moment. I'm engaging with everyone. Make me see sense!

Mrs TP. It's the day after Thanksgiving here. I need to feed DD at some point but I have almost zero responsibilities today. Shall we hop all over MN calling out misogyny?

TBH - DD can make her own food. I'm all yours.