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Chef Evans' girlfriend: interview

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Velvetdarkness · 26/10/2016 23:46

Has anyone posted this? I read it in my parents' paper and it horrified me.
The interviewer was very soft on them, and some of the comments the Journo makes are Shock
I'm on a mobile so can't write loads as I find it too fiddly but I'd like to discuss this.
www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/exclusive-natasha-massey-i-hated-what-my-fianc-ched-evans-had-do/

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/10/2016 09:45

I feel sorry for Natasha

She had to tell Ched it was her interview he didn't listen he wanted his say but wasn't meant to be there but her father said he could come along of course this is part of their pr but we are told who is behind it

And what father who respects his daughter would encourage her to stay with a man accused of rape and bankroll his defence let alone excuse her boyfriend from cheating on her because be has had a few drinks

I remember when Rihanna was attacked by her boyfriend and was criticised for getting back together with him her father made a statement along the lines he was a nice guy just he did something stupid. Your own father having such an opinion and we wonder why these women have such low self esteem

whoputthecatout · 27/10/2016 11:37

If we need to feel sorry for anyone it's the poor little kid they've brought into the world. He has a grandfather who thinks you can buy "justice" and that his daughter deserves no better than to be partnered by a cheat with the morals of an alley cat, a mother who is either cynically manipulative while giving the impression of being a well trampled doormat, or is a well trampled doormat, a father who treats women like walking orifices, not to mention an uncle who is a peeping Tom (and is qualified to teach our daughters).

Imagine the poor little bugger's playground experience in a few years...

mumofthemonsters808 · 27/10/2016 11:53

Whoputthecatout - I agree with your opinion, apart from the Grandfather "thinking" he can buy justice, he succeeded, he now knows it can be bought.

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RedMapleLeaf · 27/10/2016 12:35

Oh, he probably won't have any problems. Entitled little shits don't grow on trees, they have childhoods where they get away with that kind of behaviour.

That's a really nasty comment about a child and I don't get the relevance of it to the discussion.

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Velvetdarkness · 27/10/2016 13:37

I think vestal means that his upbringing will be such that he will become an entitled little shit due to the views of his father and grandfather and his mother's compliance.

Which is probably true sadly.

The thing that really got me is that here was a chance to ask awkward questions and to at least be devils advocate after the soft stuff, which any good journalist would do, and the opportunity has now been lost.

But the comment by Alison "footballers, duh" does belie her patriarchal views.

I'd have liked to see Caitlin Moran on this.

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Lottapianos · 27/10/2016 13:49

'Your own father having such an opinion and we wonder why these women have such low self esteem'

I agree. I do feel sorry for her. Her self esteem must be truly in the gutter if she's staying with a specimen like Evans. I felt sick reading how she can't wait to get married so she can change her name to his. Dear lord. She comes across as very naïve and princessy

'But the comment by Alison "footballers, duh" does belie her patriarchal views'

Yes, that was foul. The whole article was in fact. What a surprise.

GardenGeek · 27/10/2016 18:48

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Lottapianos · 27/10/2016 19:12

What she had to gain by standing by him - validation? Continuing the dream of 'happy families'? Her father's approval? Kidding herself that she's the one he 'loves' because she's the one with the ring and the baby? The admiration of many for 'standing by her man'?

midcenturymodern · 27/10/2016 19:47

Well that was cringy as fuck. I can't take anyone seriously who insists on calling the US president 'The leader of the free world'. And we don't 'know' he is 'innocent' at all.

I don't feel sorry for her. She isn't a dumb kid, and Ched isn't a 'lad', despite what AP says. They are actual adults who have had a long time to do some hard thinking. I can understand someone not believing that their DP (or dad or bro or mate) had raped someone, but she sat through 2 trials where he gave evidence that he had lied to gain access to the room and penetrated a stranger without speaking a single word to her. You would have to be very hard of thinking to think he is a 'big softie'. I don't know why she is trying to make out it isn't like the sort of rape where a stranger jumps out. He was a stranger and he jumped into a hotel room through a locked door.

AdoraBell · 27/10/2016 19:51

Place marking, can't open link on phone.

Queenoftheblues · 27/10/2016 20:32

Mid-century yes you make an excellent point about him being a stranger. I don't envy her relief at him being too terrified to look at a woman now. That's very tenuous and not flattering to her at all. And his fear of women won't last.

graphista · 27/10/2016 20:36

I honestly don't know how she can stomach being in the same building as him! She should have gone with her first reaction, vomiting because he IS that disgusting.

SexTrainGlue · 27/10/2016 20:40

I despaired when she said that this wasn't rape (where previous sexual history is irrelevant) but all about consent which meant somehow that it was.

I find it a great shame that she does not grasp even the basics of consent, and why it is at the heart of all rape.

Her education must have been quite lacking. And I am definitely keeping an eye on what my DC are taught in school (with a view to supllemeting any omissions). Fortunately, it seems to be rather better (thus far) for them than the shoddy version she was unlucky enough to have had.

Twogoats · 27/10/2016 20:45

Their poor son Sad

graphista · 27/10/2016 20:54

Well by the sounds of things her father has already indoctrinated her into the mysoginistic patriarchy! Where's her mother in all this?

RedMapleLeaf · 27/10/2016 20:58

I don't think it's helpful to cast blame at yet another woman (e.g. her mother) when, you know, it was Evans that was convicted of rape.

graphista · 27/10/2016 21:15

Not blaming her mother just puzzled by her absence.

RedMapleLeaf · 28/10/2016 08:41

Sorry, I read it as "why isn't her mother preventing the father's indoctrination of the daughter into the misogynistic patriarchy" rather than wondering where she was.

StrongTeaHotShower · 28/10/2016 10:19

Who is the woman who wrote this? What a streaming pile of sycophantic, rape apologetic bullshit.
Shocking.

StrongTeaHotShower · 28/10/2016 10:21

He can't be a rapist because the term disgusts him and he'd never hurt a woman Wink

NotMyRealName2015 · 29/10/2016 13:28

Wow, that article makes for very uncomfortable reading. 75% of it seems to be the writer sycophantly swooning over the both of them. It actually read a bit like one of those 'at home with...' articles that appear in Hello magazine. But wth the added 'twist' of discussing a rape allegation...

""Expertly diving to catch the bits of food that the baby launches at the hotel’s posh carpet and hand-painted wallpaper is a man with a familiar face. It’s a nice face, but it has excited the most extraordinary hatred and loathing these past five years. The face of a pariah; a man so reviled that, even after he had done his time (for a crime we now know he didn’t commit)"

I got as far as this before had to go in another room and take a few deep breaths before I could carry on reading. It's rage inducing, but at the same time almost laughable in just how ridiculous it it.
He has 'a nice face'?Hmm As opposed to what?
And why the fuck do we need to know about the fucking'hand painted wallpaper'???

If they genuinely 'felt sorry' for hs victim the kindest thing to do would be to fade away and live their lives quietly; not do interviews for a national newspaper with an arse-licking journalist. (Would they have been paid for this?)

His victim must feel like she can never be free of him Sad

NotMyRealName2015 · 29/10/2016 13:35

midcenturymodern
I don't know why she is trying to make out it isn't like the sort of rape where a stranger jumps out. He was a stranger and he jumped into a hotel room through a locked door.

Very good point. I hadn't thought of it like that, but you're right. She ha absolutely no connection to him at all until he put himself inside her.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/10/2016 13:51

I've been thinking about that article- far more than it deserves(given it is a meretricious pile of sycophantic vomit) and of the many things which irritate me is the hijacking of the scenes of placid domesticity trope.

It's a format used, quite legitimately, to describe situations such as a homeless person finally getting a home; refugees settling in; addicts finally getting clean; trafficked persons being freed and the like where someone really has been through hell but the interviewer, the interviewee and the readers want to concentrate on the positive future.

I suppose in Pearson's , Evans' and Massey's minds Evans has been through hell but it rankles so much.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/10/2016 13:54

He has 'a nice face'

I know this is the most trivial and irrelevant point in the whole awful situation- but no , he hasn't.