So im transphobic for saying someone with a penis is biologically male

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waves to the person on fb who messaged me.

I honestly honestly don't get it. I am a big supporter of trans rights, using their chosen gender toilets etc (which I know some people understandably have a problem with). I am really not transphobic.

And it's also transphobic to say that choosing to transition us a choice.

Please, can I have a sensible explanation of why I'm transphobic because I honestly don't get it.

I got called transphobic the other day for saying sex and gender are different, and that gender is a social construct we ought to ignore so people can just live how they want to without feeling they have to be in a particular box.
I feel so proud. My first proper terf moment

Congratulations

Thanks

Astro TERF! To infinity and beyond!

It seems rather incredible though, that instead of pushing and campaigning against the limitations of your own sex that folk are determined to become another. It becomes ridiculous when said folk start dictating to that sex, How Things Should Be.

Why is the media hell-bent on pursuing this? Why is Obama (and I like Obama) supporting this?

I'm still churning this over and flip flopping between what I think is "right".
As a non stereotypical female I have always rebelled against sexual stereotypes and firmly believe that people should be free to wear and do and be what they want (as long as it does no harm to others).

So I suppose I'm gender critical where it applies to me and would gate to have gender restrictions applied to my children - although I know they have physical biological sex I try not to let is define them. I have one who is into pink and dresses and all things sparkly, and one who is into trousers, planes and dinosaurs - and they have freely chosen.

However, surely as part of that same belief that people should be free to choose I shouldn't have any issue with biological men choosing to be feminine and wear dresses etc and be treated as a female.

And indeed I don't (although I understand that some people have issues with men in female safe spaces which should be respected).

But I do have issue with the people wanting to act in a stereotypical female way now saying that they are now female because they wear dresses/make up/ glittery shit etc, because by inference that would make me no longer female, as I don't. I would agree however that they are feminine, and I am not, as that is true. But I'm also not masculine. But by thinking this I'm bigoted?!

And what's with non binary people?

However surely they should be free to think what they think (they are female etc) and I'm happy to go along with that to make them happy. But why can't I think what I think as it hurts noone? As long as you treat people right what does that one difference of opinion matter?

The problem is the narrative isn't about being treated well and saved from violence and discrimination in employment etc. The narrative is about full acceptance and embracing of men into women's spaces: physical, sexual, political and philosophical. It's not acceptable to campaign for unisex facilities alongside sexed ones. It's about validation not safety. That harms women and girls and we are not allowed to talk about it.

Love my patio: no one is bloody binary anyway. I am not a particularly stereotypically feminine woman. I am still female though.
The only binary women I know are elsa and Kim kardashian.

So why are women buying into this? It was a group of women who laid into me about my opinion!

Sorry to be chewing this over in here but I dont know where else I can think this through with others without either being thought of as mad ( for even worrying about it) or bigoted!

Chew away OP. I'm learning from this too

I've metaphorically pulled my hair out over these issues over the last few years and not really come to any conclusion other than this OP, that they're entitled to believe you are transphobic and you are entitled to believe a person with a penis is male.

Maybe 'transceptic' is a word that needs to be introduced into the dictionary as TERF seems a bit strong for me.

Check out the story (leaked by Prison staff presumably) in today's Daily Record on a remand prisoner at Polmont YOI deciding to become a woman.

There's an AIBU thread about it (sorry can't link atm)

Transceptic - maybe, sometimes. I think a lot of us have few issues with most transsexuals but are extremely sceptical about some claims of 'transgender'.

I think on the whole it's more an age thing than a sex thing. Teenagers are far more receptive to trans ideology than the middle aged. I've read that schools have multiple trans pupils, mostly girls, as far more girls seek gender therapy in the UK than boys.

Trans activists have been very skilful. They've built on the success of gay rights and positioned themselves as a sort of super gay, super oppressed, despite the fact that not only is transgenderism not a sexual orientation but homosexuality is intrinsically transphobic, according to some transwomen.

The arguments supporting trans ideology are all so vague and unscientific. There's "born in the wrong body", a quasi magical claim people seem to accept without analysis. It's all broad brush strokes, as a detailed examination quickly reveals the movement's inconsistencies. This is why the trans lobby are far more hostile towards feminists than towards the men who actually beat up or murder transwomen.

The issue of child transition is important to activists for two reasons. Middle aged transwomen back medication for kids firstly because they know how much better they themselves would pass had they never gone through puberty. However they see this in a very self-absorbed way, seeming oblivious to the huge harm done by puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to the 80% of gender variant kids who aren't trans.

That's the first reason. The second is that stressing the "born this way" narrative distracts attention from the sexual motivation behind many transitions. LGB activists point out that had they drawn attention to "gay kids" while campaigning for their rights people would have been horrified. Trans kids, however, appear on TV because transgenderism supposedly isn't sexual. However this is by no means true. The old-style transsexuals had crippling dysphoria but these days the trans umbrella covers a wide range of fetish and kink.

It's quite enlightening on the AIBU thread how many people are saying that rapist isn't "genuine trans". The trouble is that there is no way of telling if self identification is the standard. Anyone, penis, rapist or not, who identifies as female is female, and can claim discrimination if not treated as a woman in every way.

That AIBU thread is a real eye opener

And non binary.

I've only recently come across this.
So a kid who says they are not a girl or a boy. I'm having trouble understanding this.
They cannot deny they have the physical equipment of one sex by definition. But they don't want to be called he or she or be confined to one set of gender stereotypical clothes. Am I right so far?
Now apart from the he/she surely that is just a child who is rejecting gender stereotypes? So in a gender critical household it wouldn't be an issue, but in a trans rights "gender not sex* household, they are non binary?

Jack Munroe declares themself non-binary (having given birth to a child and now injects themself with testosterone... )

You might find their thread interesting
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2693127-Im-Jack-Monroe-Ask-me-anything

Bit of a long one though!

Well summarized, GardenGeek. I am female. I don't identify as female. Sometimes interaction with others reminds me that I'm a woman but when I'm doing things on my own, reading the paper or cooking, for example, I only ever think of myself as a person. Sex doesn't come into it.