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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please help me frame my argument wrt rape apologist

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PacificDogwod · 16/09/2016 16:31

I need help as I feel I've lost a debate today although I know I'm right, goddammit! Grin

Ok, here goes:
Female co-worker and I were talking about sexual assault/rape and she came out with the old 'well, she was asking for it what with her short skirt/gaudy make-up/being out and alone at that time of night/teasing him with her provocative dancing' or whatever. Which I countered that that represents rape apology and that the guilt is always with the rapist, no matter what went before.

So she gave the example that is two men (or women, I suppose, 2 people of the same sex) get in to a fight and one punches/stabs the other any judge/court would take in to account whether they were provoked and that unreasonable or inflammatory action by the victim prior to the attack would be used to mitigate the guilt of the attacker (or at least result in a lesser sentence).

Now I know that sexual assault/rape has very little to do with sex and an awful lot with power/need to dominate/control and nobody no matter how short their skirt should ever have to be subjected to that kind of violence, but I struggle to not agree with the mitigation argument? Confused

Help!! I know I won't be able to let this lie, and I do have until Monday to get things clear in my head.

OP posts:
museumum · 20/09/2016 21:49

But - a man can't beat up another man with impunity just cause he called him names / wore another teams colours etc. Men are still convicted even if they argue they were provoked.
Unfortunately the same can't be said for men who rape.

WinchesterWoman · 20/09/2016 21:56

'Any judge/court would take in to account whether they were provoked and that unreasonable or inflammatory action by the victim prior to the attack would be used to mitigate the guilt of the attacker'

Wearing a short skirt is not a provocation to violence
Wearing a short skirt is not unreasonable
Wearing a short skirt is not inflammatory

Isn't that the beginning and end of the argument?

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