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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

can somebody please explain "trans" to me??

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TheoriginalLEM · 03/09/2016 12:32

I am so confused.

My understanding is that a "trans" person refers to someone who identifies themselves as the opposite sex to their genetalia and ir chromosomes/genetics.

Then you have folk who have sex changes

Then transvestites who are men who dress as women but want to remain male?

There seems to be a furore about the whole thing.

pronouns and now what we call our genitals??

can someone simplify this for me?

gender is complex i know. its principally genetic . XY=male then XX = female but then some genetic confitions affect genital development resulting in prople appearing physically different from their genetic gender.

If i meet domeone who introduces themselves as a woman/man then thats all i need to know.

Why is it such a "thing" and why is trans associated closely with the homosexual community?

really REALLY don't want to offend anyone just perplexed.

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Felascloak · 03/09/2016 21:45

Yes exactly matilda. To me sex =biology and boils down to undeniable differences like periods, boobs, men being taller and stronger as a class. Gender = load of pink and blue brain bollocks about why girls/boys can't do stuff they want to. Get rid of gender, not sex. I don't understand how someone can call themselves a feminist and support the notion of gender. But each to their own Wine

HemlockIsSpartacus · 03/09/2016 23:13

"(Incidentally, I would also take the 1 in 100 figure with more than a pinch of salt - transactivists have started including genetically male individuals with hypospadias - i.e a mild birth defect of the penis, and genetically female individuals with PCOS, in the way they count "intersex" to give an entirely spurious impression that the condition is more common than it actually is.)"

I remember the first time I read a TA trying to claim that women with PCOS were intersex. I was so so angry, not in the slightest bit impressed that a medical condition that I do struggle with was being used to score cheap (and inaccurate) points.

EttaJ · 03/09/2016 23:46

I'd just like to know what a female penis is because it baffles me.

JigglypuffsCaptor · 04/09/2016 00:05

I have pcos I am most definitely not a transsexual! Hmm I mean WTAF?! I was born a female with female genitals, I am a woman and have no desire to identify as anything but a woman!

I am ill treated and suffer discrimination because I am a woman, I was born to inevitable suffer the consequenses of possessing a vagina and ovaries, but none the less, despite this I have always been, and always will be a woman Confused

Felascloak · 04/09/2016 14:20

etta it's a penis on a trans woman. The logic being that if being female is primarily to do with gender identity rather than biology, then female bodies are those belonging to people with female gender identity. Hence a penis can be female if it belongs to a transwoman.

Katexxy · 04/09/2016 15:14

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/09/2016 16:24

Doesn't matter how far back you go, devilin, feminism has never eschewed the "notion of binary discrete biological sexes." That there are two sexes has never been even faintly controversial, in fact they're important because sex/reproductive roles are the basis on which women are oppressed. FGM, abortion and reproductive health, maternity rights, rape, forced marriage: many feminist issues are directly related to sex and the rest have a tangential link. Equal pay, for example.

What, perhaps, you may mean is that feminism eschews the idea of there being two intrinsic genders or, as they used to be known, sex stereotypes. Gender claims that, for example, men are bold, adventurous and decisive, while women are frivolous, nurturing and passive. Feminists hold that the primary purpose of gender is to raise the male sex class above the female one and we would like to eradicate it.

In a feminist utopia there wouldn't be gendered expressions of "femininity" and "masculinity" because gender would cease to exist. Sex, otoh, will always exist. It's just a fact, like people having eyes or legs.

As for trans activism, feminism includes FtTs because they are women but not MtTs, because they aren't. Because the whole trans agenda relies on a belief in gender, it's intrinsically anti-feminist. The positions taken by many male transactivists are frequently not only anti-feminist but misogynist.

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