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A good example of a police 'stay safe' poster

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CaptainWentworth · 20/02/2016 08:59

I think this one is simple, clear, yet manages to avoid targeting women specifically. I think Northumbria Police have a pretty good attitude to women, possibly due to the influence of Vera Baird as the PCC.

A good example of a police 'stay safe' poster

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RiverTam · 22/02/2016 16:21

But why are there so few 'men, don't rape!' posters out there? All I see is ones like this, which I agree are putting the responsibility firmly in the hands of potential victims.

I've been plastered, staggering around with no money and no phone (back in the day when people didn't) and never been raped or assaulted. That would be because I never met a rapist.

DD is only 6 so I've a while to decide what advice to give her but one thing I will never do is suggest that she would ever be to blame. Unless, you know, she's wearing her Rape Me Now t shirt.

itllallbefine · 22/02/2016 17:03

'men, don't rape!' posters

I assume that a rapist is unlikely to be dissuaded by a poster asking him not to rape someone.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 22/02/2016 17:23

True. But a lot of date rape happens because the men involved can convince themselves that the woman is consenting...

-if the woman is asleep
-if the woman is blind drunk and doesn't say no.
-if the woman has slept with the man before

So it would be better for posters to point out the rules of consent but I expect they feel that this is too judgey so prefer to target women.

RiverTam · 22/02/2016 17:39

^ Absolutely. If we're talking about the effects of too much booze then we need to remind blokes that being pissed, and the woman being pissed, is never ever an excuse to rape her, and that sex without consent is rape, regardless of circumstance. But agree, let's just make this women's problem .

JAPAB · 22/02/2016 17:42

So it would be better for posters to point out the rules of consent but I expect they feel that this is too judgey so prefer to target women.

Might not be that easy to condense onto a single poster. Even that tea drinking analogy video runs for a few minutes.

A lot of posters about crimes are aimed at informing people how to minimise risks. Identity theft, car theft, anti-burglary ads and so on. There probably is more of a chance that a potential victim will heed some advice they see and so reduce risk of a crime happening to themselves, than there is that a potential criminal will decide "OK fair enough" just because they see a "don't burgle/commit identity theft/rape" poster.

MargotLovedTom · 22/02/2016 17:50

If my daughters (or any other female) were raped or assaulted then I would never see it as their fault, or make them feel they were to blame in any way, so you can pack it in with your sly digs RiverTam.

RiverTam · 22/02/2016 18:02

You say you would tell your daughters that they needed to 'make sure they could get home safely'. Your words. Even if DD got as hammered as you like and the worst happened, it would not be her fault for not making sure she got home safely.

No sly dig. Just placing responsibility with those responsible. Sorry if you don't like that.

itllallbefine · 22/02/2016 22:10

RiverTam Serious question - do you tell your daughter to make sure she gets home safely or not ?

MrsJayy · 23/02/2016 10:53

Making sure somebody has the tools to get home safely is not victim blaming if they dont get home safe you are being pedantic Rivertam if you have a child who is going out age you make sure they are prepared and equipped its personal responsibility

MrNoseybonk · 23/02/2016 11:22

"A lot of posters about crimes are aimed at informing people how to minimise risks. Identity theft, car theft, anti-burglary ads and so on. There probably is more of a chance that a potential victim will heed some advice they see and so reduce risk of a crime happening to themselves, than there is that a potential criminal will decide "OK fair enough" just because they see a "don't burgle/commit identity theft/rape" poster."

So those posters saying "don't leave valuables in cars" are victim blaming, and we should have poster saying "don't steal things left in cars"?

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CaptainWentworth · 23/02/2016 11:52

I don't think this poster is designed to address the issue of rape specifically though- they way I read it's more about making sure you don't end up wandering the streets with no way of getting home, or falling in the river!

For example, I was out last year with DH one night and we got one of the last Metros home, around midnight. There was this really, really pissed bloke who insisted on getting on the train with us because he'd missed the last train to Durham- despite us trying to explain that the Metro would take him further away from where he wanted to go. He was still on the train when we got off so he probably ended up spending the night in a siding at the airport!

I think he would have benefited from taking the advice on this poster...

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WomanWithAltitude · 23/02/2016 19:07

I don't read this as being about rape specifically. Yes it's pink, but the text is gender neutral - there may well be similar posters in the series which are blue or show a pint glass/wine glass.

Having the means to travel home and let yourself in is something I'd advise anyone to do, male or female. It's not rape prevention advice.

BertrandRussell · 24/02/2016 10:04

It's pink and shows a cocktail! Please can someone explain how that's gender neutral?

BertrandRussell · 24/02/2016 10:07

"don't read this as being about rape specifically. Yes it's pink, but the text is gender neutral - there may well be similar posters in the series which are blue or show a pint glass/wine glass."

You can't have it both ways. Either this is a totally gender neutral poster or there needs to be a blue one for boys.............

Abbinob · 24/02/2016 10:14

I think the cocktail is so it's obviously alcohol- for obvious alcohol looking glasses you basically have to pick between wine glass, a pint, or a cocktail. a tumbler wouldn't be so obvious.
The police have to deal with drunk people who get injured from falling over/ pass out etc not just sexual assualt. theres loads of reasons why you should keep money, phone etc on you and stay with friends on a night out, i think it's a pretty sensible poster tbh it doesn't look 'girly' to me, it looks like the same pinky purply colour that club posters are around here

BathtimeFunkster · 24/02/2016 10:20

"do not attack anyone physically or sexually. If you can't control yourself on a night out then just go home. If you do attack anyone you will be caught and prosecuted and will receive the maximum sentence"

Great idea.

How about -

A picture of a pint and a shot glass.

Are you an asshole when you're drunk?

Well then why not fuck off home?

Most people are here to have a nice time and don't want you spoiling their fun.

BertrandRussell · 24/02/2016 10:22

"I think the cocktail is so it's obviously alcohol- for obvious alcohol looking glasses you basically have to pick between wine glass, a pint, or a cocktail."

So why not a pint?

hmcAsWas · 24/02/2016 10:22

Hmmm - it would be better with a pint glass on it in addition to the cocktail glass.....

Abbinob · 24/02/2016 10:31

well, because a pint glass is obviously at men, a wine glass seems obviously at women, a cocktial doesn't seem obviously for women or men to me

Snarkmaiden · 24/02/2016 10:52

Why not use a wine glass? That's more sex-neutral.

Snarkmaiden · 24/02/2016 10:53

Xposted with Abbi

Both sexes drink wine IME.

heavenlypink · 24/02/2016 10:58

These posters are meant to get the message across to both men and women about drinking and/or violence

hmcAsWas · 24/02/2016 11:12

That's a much better example of a gender neutral poster heavenlypink (sorry Captain)

WomanWithAltitude · 24/02/2016 17:31

I never said it was totally gender neutral Bertrand. I acknowledged that it was pink (which usually indicates 'feminine') but I also said that the text was gender neutral. Which it is.

WomanWithAltitude · 24/02/2016 17:33

Bathtime - excellent idea! Plenty of pubs could use that poster.

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