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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Interested to know what you think

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willowsummers · 05/02/2016 18:43

Reading some back editions of Spare Rib, I found a letter which really made me stop and think.

To summarise, the gist was that the 'dream wedding' was the domain of the 'plain working class woman, lacking intelligence and looks' (harsh, I know) - middle class women with a career and access to nice clothes and makeup would be less likely to insist on perfection.

Do you think this is true?

In my experience it isn't, but I'm willing to concede it may have been at the time.

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Quoteunquote · 05/02/2016 18:54

Probably a clumsy attempt to explain the situation that at the time, the wedding would of be the high point of some women's lives, a little like the situation the irish traveller community has now. (see big fat gypsy wedding for frightening attitudes )

I wonder if anyone remembers Shocking Pink the small sister mag aimed at teens of that era.

My friend's mum was one of the original people who set up Spare Rib.

lorelei9 · 05/02/2016 19:52

OP interested to know the date of the edition?

willowsummers · 05/02/2016 20:02

Quite an early one but I am afraid I don't know the exact date Flowers

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BertrandRussell · 07/02/2016 12:39

Doesn't it have the date on the front?

QueenLaBeefah · 07/02/2016 12:43

It must be quite an old edition.

Weddings are such a huge business that the perfectionism (and a shit load of cash) seems to be effecting all classes. I think, maybe, this is driven by social media.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/02/2016 14:16

I am rather interested in how it semi-tacitly opposes plain & working class to attractive and middle class. Doesn't it feel snobbish and awful?

scallopsrgreat · 09/02/2016 12:56

I'm with Countess. Sounds very snobbish. Was this a letter in response to an article? I'm just wondering when there is so many other aspects of weddings and marriage to analyse from a female perspective why the author would choose to pitch woman against woman?

FellOutOfBedTwice · 09/02/2016 13:02

Whilst it's clearly an opinion formed by its time to an extent, I get it. I've known a lot of women become over invested in the perfection of their wedding and almost exclusively those women had very little else going on in terms of education/career etc and their whole focus became the perfection of this one day. The other camp with the emphasis on a perfect wedding- in my experience- are the ones who's relationships were a bit shit and who had something to prove.

WomanWithAltitude · 09/02/2016 19:06

The way it's worded sounds horribly snobbish, but it is true to a certain extent that people with less to look forward to in their lives will make a bigger event out of something like a wedding. I've seen it in people I know.

It doesn't just apply to wc women, or 'plain' women, or weddings though.

redannie118 · 09/02/2016 19:20

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/02/2016 19:37

Not off topic at all!

willowsummers · 09/02/2016 19:41

I think the point about class divide in feminism is valid and interesting.

Am hunting online for the date and can't find it sorry - I have a feeling it was 1971? Could be wrong though.

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redannie118 · 09/02/2016 20:05

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WomanWithAltitude · 09/02/2016 21:27

The class issue is very much on topic! It illustrates perfectly why many wc women felt excluded by feminism. I find it shocking that Spare Rib considered that ok. Sad

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