Rapist found guilty but gets suspended sentence because his sister was

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So basically his victim is just a fall guy for the trauma he suffered because someone raped and killed his sister

I have no words ...

This is how little women matter.

This is fucking outrageous.
How can the feelings of a supposedly more mature now-adult trump a vulnerable 12 yr old who has been raped?
Was my first reaction.

On reflection, if we found out that an at-the-time 16 yr old was in a 'relationship' with the victim and had sex with her three times, still making it rape, it would slightly less abhorrent I think.

This is disgusting on the face of it but I do agree that we don't know all the facts. Was it rape as in forced or was it rape as in they were together but she cant consent because of her age.

I am so relieved other people agree with me.

I don't care what other unknown facts there were, thenjudge's motivation is clear. He thinks the rape and murder of the rapist's sister was a significant factor in his crime against a 12 year old who is clearly traumatised. If there were other mitigating circumstances then he should not have used the reasoning he did.

There must surely be some way to kick up a stink about this?

Surely force has very little to do with it, besides deciding exact sentencing (ie 5 years vs 8 years in prison say, rather than prison vs no prison) - if she was too young to consent she was too young, for good reason! Even if they'd been in a relationship she was too young to agree to that, that's the point - same as if a toddler wants to marry their own dad, they don't get to decide. Really hate the subtle victim blaming involved in 'well if she wanted it it's not as bad' (accept there are grey areas like a nearly 16yr old with a 16yr old but this isn't one of them).

"This is disgusting on the face of it but I do agree that we don't know all the facts. Was it rape as in forced or was it rape as in they were together but she cant consent because of her age."

It was rape because it was forced and because she was 12. There's other stuff out there about the crime which clearly shows it was forced but there should be no sliding scale of rapeness when you are talking about a 12 year old and a man who admitted to what he did. FFS.

Fyaral... Not that you should need extra information to be disgusted about the rape of a 12 year old but here...

" Grender had pleaded guilty to the offences carried out on a girl under 13 when he was 16 and 17."

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Details of how it was forced here

Who in their right mind pesters a 12 year old for sex?

I apologise that my post sounded victim blaming.
I was more trying to imagine a scenario that could have ameliorated the judge to make that decision.
In the subsequent link there were obviously no mitigating factors, and the feelings if this man are obviously more important than a vulnerable 12 yo victim.
Disgusting.

2 years suspended. FFS.

I am in Wales (used to live in Newport) and am going to write to every possible place in protest.

"This is disgusting on the face of it but I do agree that we don't know all the facts. Was it rape as in forced or was it rape as in they were together but she cant consent because of her age."

Sorry? Did I just read that? Jesus Christ on a bike there are some disgusting people in the world.

So one man rapes and stabs a pregnant woman to death, enabling another man to rape a 12 year old girl and get away with it.

Great day for women.

It's obviously a terrible thing to do anyway, but the crime is made more disturbing and harder to understand, not less, as the brother's reaction to his sister being raped is to do the same thing to another girl. That shows some very odd thinking.

Well exactly.

Can we to write to the Attorney General to protest about the leniency of the sentence?

I am not sure if I have got that correct, but I am sure there is somewhere as the public we can go to ask for this to be reviewed.

I have read several articles in this to try and understand the judges logic and failed every time. The rapists sisters awful death should have no impact on justice for a child.

Horrific.

That poor girl

Unclear why the sentencing differs so much from this case for example.

Details of how to complain to the Attorney General here.

Just read this and it is so fucked up.

If his sister being raped and murdered made him think it was OK to rape someone then that is truly scary.

Very fucked up logic. Dangerous too.

Poor girl got no fucking justice whatsoever. she has been completely let down.

I'm heartily sorry for this beast's sisters shocking and devastating murder, and rape, but why should this poor young victim suffer for their crime. Why does this mean he should get away with rape.
His sister was raped so he did the same to someone else. And the terrifying thing is he's out to do it again. I'm not saying its going to happen here, but its no wonder. People take the law into their own hands because I'm telling you. If this were my child he'd violated and got away with it. I'd be baying for his blood. I'll make no bones or apologies about it.

So if he'd battered the rapist/murderer of his sister to death he's get a pat on the head and a KitKat?

This doesn't make sense.

I'm almost certain these judges are on glue. They must be.

Thank you for that link tribpot I have sent a complaint.

I can't really articulate howangry this makes me.

Yet again, a traumatic event in a males life is made into an excuse for the horrific actions he takes against a female.

That poor girl has been made the victim twice, once by her rapist and again by the justice system.

Thank you for the link to complain- I think this post should be prominently displayed by MN to ensure that this disgraceful outcome can be widely challenged- 2 y suspended??? FFS!!

Christ, I just read that link Sunny, it was an actual violent rape.

(I know all rapes are a violent act). I guess I was searching for a possible reason why the judge thought leniency was appropriate, eg he had no idea she was 12 and it was 'consensual'.

But no, just absolutely outrageous.