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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fathers of daughters

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StealthPolarBear · 10/01/2016 09:04

Please don't jump on me, this is just something I'm thinking about. I'm very happy to conclude I'm wrong, and I realise the generalisations I'm making do not apply to all.
I have realised that my dad is one of the least patriarchal men I know. To me anyway. When I was growing up as an only child there was an assumption I would go to university, get a good job. Any relationships, children etc were completely up to me. I'm not saying this is the right approach. I was taught how to change a car tyre, sort out oil, was generally trusted to be independent and look after myself (less so by my mum :))
Dhs dad is absolutely lovely but grew up in a predominantly male household and had boys himself. His views on women's roles seem a little more old fashioned. That could just be the way it is. I'd like to also say he's not rude about it, if he comes across something new he's quite accepting.
We have a boy and a girl. When dd was born I could see dh challenging some of his inner views about parenting girls, and making a conscious effort to not treat her as a delicate little flower.
I don't know...am I on to anything here? I suppose what I'm saying is dads of gis have more reason to challenge patriarchal attitudes and opinions they may have entrenched.

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ChristineDePisan · 13/01/2016 03:05

I think a lot of men experience a bit of an epiphany when they have a daughter, whether that's going to buy sports kit and finding it only labelled as boys shirts or seeing them steered towards home economics and arts subjects for their GCSEs. I don't think that this is a bad thing - realization that there is a patriarchy is surely a necessary step to helping dismantle it?

I read an article a while back written by a white man who had children with a black woman and was now experiencing, through them, what life as a black American meant and how it was so different to his personal life experience to date. Maybe having a daughter is akin to this for many men?

Serioussteve · 13/01/2016 03:29

I wasn't what to think when my daughter was born, although both of us were very keen to have a girl. My stance with her is for her to take the "first foot forward" approach and make her own decisions.

I respect her immensely, she had her college plans together by herself and has a firm view of future career. We've been through contraception, periods, sex, career et al together.

She often comes to talk to me and my only stance is her respect. Her boyfriend has been disrespecting her recently and she asked my opinion. I love our setup.

My father on the other hand has viewed her as his special flower, a meek little girl who will get married, pump out great-gc and have a cute job somewhere. She's grown up resilient, strong willed and with a pragmatic, steely core. She's put him in his place many times.

Sorry if not exactly on-topic.

Serioussteve · 13/01/2016 03:29

I wasn't sure...

unexpsoc · 14/01/2016 11:18

My daughter was born when I was 17, so too far back for me to remember if I had an epiphany - I feel as if I have always had this mindset my entire adult life that gender should not decide who you are going to become.

Worryingly, I now have a 4 year old boy (just started reception) and seem to be spending half my time at the moment telling him outright that girls can do anything boys can do. I can not believe how this rubbish permeates into their minds at the age of 4. I am really starting to wonder if sending him to a faith school was a bad idea (but that might just be my prejudice against faith schools showing). I was also really saddened to see that at their recent nativity they had an all female cast of angels and all male cast of shepherds. For a class of 4 year olds.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 14/01/2016 18:22

A friend of mine - who I wouldn't have said was sexist before - has a small daughter and actually called me up after he saw the 'throws like a girl' ad (was it Dove? Can't remember) - it was a real lightbulb moment for him.

Unfortunately he then completely mansplained it to me (it's the language we use! It's so limiting!),so I'm not wholly convinced it's a proper conversion...

CaptainWarbeck · 14/01/2016 22:16

A female (normally quite enlightened) relative said to DH when we were talking about playing backyard cricket with kids at Christmas, 'well if you have more boys you'll enjoy doing that'.

Thankfully DH came straight back with 'I'll be doing that with my girls too if we have any!'

Agree with a pp on finding it very weird when groups divide off into male and female, that happens a lot here in Australia and it always feels very divisive to me.

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