woman ogling MMA fighters

[LunaMay]

wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/01/05/15/59/woman-sparks-debate-with-viral-video-of-her-ogling-mma-fighters

Opinions? My wormate (male) just went on an epic rant about this.

I think it's interesting that you assume the fully dressed woman is there for ornamentation at all in fact, because I think she's there as an official, who happens to be a woman.

Why be obscure? Just say I am not properly acknowledging her status which you perceive as being higher than I do. Fine. But I think her dress and perceived level of agency have little, if anything, to do with how this has been projected on the internet.

He was just raving about how if men look at women they're perves and pigs and the whole spin on this would have been completely different.

In my opinion she was checking him out a little bit. Nothing wrong with doing this when you do not make it visible to the person. Keep the poker pace as I think someone suggested.

I think your colleague is quite correct about the different spin. On this very board I learned that when a man makes an appreciative comment about a woman whose body he finds physically attractive, it encourages rapists because such comments reinforce their beliefs of women as property for their use. Which of course is not an issue with women being visually or verbally appreciative of men they find attractive.

But he is definitely correct about how the whole thing will be perceived differently, and different assumptions and motives will be assumed, depending on the gender of the person who is checking out the member of the opposite sex.

Huh?

There's the full weigh in. She's one of a number of fully dressed people on stage as the fighters come up for weigh in. All of whom look at the fighters at various points as they undress (both male and female - it was a fight night rather than a full event, and the headline fight was a women's one).

I think some creepy dude saw a woman on the stage who wasn't a fighter or a 'ring girl' and decided to take her down a peg or two by cutting the 35 minute weigh in down to the bits that have her looking at the fighters.

I'm actually pretty sure I've seen something similar done with Joe Rogan at a weigh in - but then it's seen as humorous, not some awful 'reverse sexism' incident that proves how feminists are terrible human beings.

sigh.

None of the feminists i know think that looking at women & finding them attractive is wrong.

None of the feminists i know have ever said such a thing, because feminists dont believe it.

Theres nothing wrong with thinking sexual things, or even saying them to your mates.

Just dont fucking bother the object of these thoughts with expressing them loudly, keep your mouth shut.

The internet is full of men who love to tell feminists what they're thinking. They continuously derail threads & convos & its just so bloody tiring.

Im off to watch Wolfie.

how many more excuses can we come up with to why she wasn't?

Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't. It's not against the law

GreenTomatoJam
I think some creepy dude saw a woman on the stage who wasn't a fighter or a 'ring girl' and decided to take her down a peg or two by cutting the 35 minute weigh in down to the bits that have her looking at the fighters.

Unless the editor also employed special effects to create combinations of gaze and facial expression that were not occurring in reality, there were moments that could look like "checking out", even if they only lasted several seconds at a time and she wasn't doing it all the time in the full version. If so then hopefully she will learn to work on that poker face.

misshornblowerwouldbuyit
Theres nothing wrong with thinking sexual things, or even saying them to your mates.

There are posters on this board who would disagree with you on that. Not a question of telling anyone what they think, they put it forwards themselves.

@GTJ: Well well, seems her job is to watch the fighters undress. Perhaps to check nothing untoward re: the weigh in is going on. Surely OPs colleague and other commenters could find a better example of female ogling.

I watched as much as I could bear of the full weigh in. If she was ogling then she is an equal opportunities ogler!

She's an official.

Her particular role calls for her to specifically watch the fighters as they weigh in and she is responsible for ensuring they undress and are weighed correctly.

JAPAB
I read this board all the time & i cant recall anyone suggesting men or women shouldnt be able to discuss amongst themselves whether they find someone attractive or not as long as they dont force their opinions & thoughts on the recipient by way of catcalling, whistling, shouting 'Oi, nice tits' etc etc.

I have on the other hand read plenty of posts from male posters interpreting feminists saying such things. And non feminist women.

"I have on the other hand read plenty of posts from male posters interpreting feminists saying such things. And non feminist women."

Yep. This.

Bertrand
I meant to say the other day i think you rock . I wish i had your energy.

Does anyone have a link to the woman and her job? I have a 'friend' complaining about all the 'eye-rape' against the men.

"a man makes an appreciative comment about a woman whose body he finds physically attractive"

"women being visually or verbally appreciative of men they find attractive."

For both men and women making comments about the way a person looks is perfectly normal and fine, provided it is done in a respectful way.
For both men and women making comments to a person about the way they look needs to be judged carefully, taking in to account whether the person might feel threatened or intimidated; whether the environment is appropriate (eg not at work); whether the attention is likely to be welcome etc.
For both men and women looking at another person is far, far less of an issue. And again, is (usually) incredibly normal.

I really can't remember reading anything different on this board. And I read here all the time reasonably often.

Well that was a big fuss about nothing. I didn't see any "ogling" and that was the edited highlight version ?

What I saw was someone who was smiling and interacting with the competitors and the other officials, definitely not ogling.

People who work in places that routinely drug test have to look at people's genitals. People who are conducting weighs in have to check that people aren't cheating too. HCP have to look at people's bodies. If you spliced together any footage of any of them (particularly 35 minutes to 33 seconds) you could practically make a porno.

Besides that, I can't remember ever complaining about someone having a look. Talking to my breasts, shouting ugly things, touching; yes. Looking; no.

If you look at the full thing, I would say that she might have a little crush on the man to her right. Aaaaawwwww.

Well, yes, imagine if they did the same the rather more touchy-feely pat down/inspection they go through before they get into the octagon to fight!

She seems to greet each fighter and tell them where to stand as they come on stage, and more than once she glances up at the big screen as if to be checking position - so she's some kind of stage manager.

I watch a fair bit of UFC but I don't recognise her, so she might be employed by the venue perhaps (her hair is over the logo on her shirt so it's hard to know)

Mrs TP - I agree, there's definitely some friendly chatting and smiling going on there :)

Is anyone cleverer than me? Well clearly a lot of you. Someone should cut together all the side glances, laughs and looking the two on the end do and set it to smoochy music. Would change the focus slightly (and prove that editing can prove anything).

FFS, how ridiculous. I agree with GreenTomatoJam that it's weird and creepy to single out someone looking at something happening inches away from them and create an edited version of her facial expressions to prove a complete non-point.

If so then hopefully she will learn to work on that poker face.

But the idea is that she is tempted to the point her poker face is visibly tested or broken, not that she forever keeps it. I think its an intentionally constructed situation for the viewing audience. Did any of you see the video from last year (now apparently pulled from you-tube so I cant link it) where a guy on a train decides to go without underwear while wearing tight jeans? He is either hung or using a penile prosthetic. He pretends to be playing on his mobile phone while he films the reactions of women sitting opposite him. The video is their reactions. The point (if I remember correctly) was that is was a Mens Rights gig to illustrate it was hypocritical women complain about men ogling as women do it themselves. I watched that video wondering what on earth any reasonable person, male or female, would expect to see happen in that kind of video set-up.

Its not a culture based on acceptance of what should be considered a normal reaction, its a form of titillation/hang-up at best or slut shaming at worst, that sets up a voyeuristic accusation-denial metaphor people polarise on, yes-she-did (ha-ha caught you out- a sexualisation) or no-she-did-not (she must be 'above' ogling- a desexualisation).

Well done green for posting the video of the full weigh in

It could only be construed as 'ogling', when edited as it has been

Poor girl

Some of you people in here are the most bigoted bitter man hating bunch of swines i have ever had the misfortune to listen too.

In the west Women have it better than they ever have and better than men in almost every way. Women living longer than men and Men have 10 times the suicide rate of Women in the UK because their lives are so much harder.

Your poison is equivalent to racism there is no patriarchy in the UK however i think men should probably start up a Menenism movment to brind down the Matriarchy but they are not a bunch of whiners with victim complex so i doubt that will happen.

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