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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Peak trans in New York

31 replies

RickRoll · 29/12/2015 16:21

New law in New York, peak trans I think....

www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

"It is unlawful to refuse to sell, rent, or lease housing to someone because of their actual or perceived gender, including actual or perceived status as a transgender person. It is unlawful to withhold from any person full and equal enjoyment of housing accommodation because of their gender."

"The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.
Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles. Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir.
Many transgender and gender non-conforming people choose to use a different name than the one they were given at birth.
All people, including employees, tenants, customers, and participants in programs, have the right to use their preferred name regardless of whether they have identification in that name or have obtained a court-ordered name change"

"The NYCHRL requires that individuals be permitted to use single-sex facilities, such as bathrooms or locker rooms, and participate in single-sex programs, consistent with their gender, regardless of their sex assigned at birth, anatomy, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on their identification. The law does not require entities to make existing bathrooms all-gender or construct additional restrooms.
Covered entities that have single-occupancy restrooms should make clear that they can be used by people of all genders."

" For example, a women’s shelter may not turn away a woman because she looks too masculine nor may a men’s shelter deny service to a man because he does not look masculine enough."

Other violations
"Barring someone from a program or facility out of concern that a transgender or gender non-conforming person will make others uncomfortable.
" Forcing a transgender or gender non-conforming person to use the single occupancy restroom."

"Covered entities should post a sign in all single-sex facilities
that states, “Under New York City Law, all individuals have the right to use the single sex facility consistent with their gender identity or expression."

"An individual’s assessment of their own safety should be a primary consideration. Covered entities should offer opportunities for people to come to them if they have safety concerns and should establish a corresponding safety plan if needed. For example, if a transgender resident requests assignment to a facility corresponding to their sex assigned at birth instead of a placement corresponding to their gender identity, that request should be honored."

"It is unlawful for an employer to provide health benefit plans that deny or exclude services on the basis of gender. To be non-discriminatory with respect to gender, health benefit plans must cover transgender care, also known as transition-related care or gender-affirming care. "

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Werksallhourz · 06/01/2016 16:19

So, basically, in New York, any man can just walk into a ladies toilet or changing room. All he needs to do, if challenged, is say he is a woman -- and that's it.

This is nothing more than a total abolition of protections for biological females in public and private space.

How the hell have we got here?

venusinscorpio · 06/01/2016 17:35

Unfortunately it's come in through the back door. Most feminists were broadly supportive of trans rights and gender identity politics as we thought we were dealing with people with genuine gender dysphoria who deserved our support and empathy rather than a collection of autogynephile fetishists, misogynistic men just looking to cause trouble, attention seeking narcissists and "gender-fluid" special snowflakes and a few with genuine gender dysphoria who deserve support and empathy (though not maybe quite so much pandering), all under the same banner.

We didn't expect the younger generation to buy into meaningless pomo bullshit, facile and misleading explanations of social justice issues and trite slogans that they can share on social media to get lots of likes. We didn't expect to be called exclusionary and transphobic and incur death threats and hate speech for discussing issues which concern 99.5% of women and contribute to women's oppression, or for being concerned about men forcing their way into female sex segregated spaces. And we didn't expect the authorities to rubber stamp it in the way they have. We didn't expect people to be quite so stupid. We made a big miscalculation.

venusinscorpio · 06/01/2016 18:49

I also think that many people who haven't really engaged much with the issues think there is a hierarchy of oppressed groups and that trans people are right at the bottom of the pile as the most oppressed (and women aren't oppressed at all). I'm sorry, while I agree their lives must be incredibly difficult I don't accept that's the case. They're conflating having a serious condition and not having their personal identity and perception of themselves validated by society (which must be tough to come to terms with, yes) with suffering structural oppression like racism, sexism or homophobia. I understand that they face discrimination, but I think it's more about discriminating because someone is different and people don't understand it, rather than any ingrained prejudice about trans people. Plenty of societal groups with medical conditions are also discriminated against. I fully support greater education about gender dysphoria and the legislation aimed at preventing this discrimination.

I think the prejudice trans people do face is mostly a variant of homophobia, regardless of their sexuality. Men do not see the vast majority of trans women as women and react to them in the same way and its absurd to pretend they do. Even where trans women "pass" (which I think is a tiny minority), many men don't like to find out they've been sexually attracted to someone who used to be a man. Yet it's always feminists who are the evil transphobes, not violent, abusive men.

Werksallhourz · 06/01/2016 20:34

Venus What I really cannot compute is that this legislation must have gone through huge numbers of reviewers at all stages in order to pass, but seemingly nobody pointed out that the law now meant, in reality, that any man had access to female-only spaces of full or partial nudity.

The implications of this are horrific. It's an open season for sex offenders, paedophiles and violent men.

I can only think that consulting lawyers had one eye on the avalanche of lawsuits that will inevitably be filed against the city in the wake of this legislation, and the elected officials are too stupid to realise the consequences.

DecaffCoffeeAndRollupsPlease · 06/01/2016 21:35

It's terrifying that these laws are being passed. Imagine needing personal care, where jobs were previously allowed to discriminate based on sex, then finding out that the woman carer you've booked to bathe your grandma while you're on holiday (or any other reason for needing a carer) and a big burly man turns up to clean up 'ma's incontinence accident. Terrifying, where's the dignity? Not only is it women this affects, but the most vulnerable women - old and infirm, disabled, recovering victims, etc.

Will we have to agree to our breast exams, smear tests, any medical appointments being delivered by men where previously we have had the option to be treated with sensitivity and by the sex we feel most comfortable?

What can we actually, practically do, which will make an impact?

venusinscorpio · 06/01/2016 22:23

Werks

I agree that the elected officials must be too stupid to get their heads around it properly. For I imagine there will indeed be consequences. As you say, it makes it open season on women in spaces where they should expect to be safe.

decaff

Agree it's terrifying. Why are women the only group who can be consistently ignored, minimised and dismissed? We have to be allowed to have opt outs for these specific cases of vulnerability, but our elected officials and right on political lobbyists are just as stupid as the ones in the US, so I'm not holding my breath. I don't know what we can do. Educate people we come into contact with about the issues and how they affect women - most people don't understand them, and when it is explained to them or they do a bit of reading they are often quite shocked and understand why we're concerned.

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