Did anyone see that Reggie Yates programme about men and feminism the other day?

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Even dh was shocked by the hatred shown by a lot of the men towards women.

I know this isn't the point but I always thought Milo was gay.

I didn't know that.

I wrongly assumed that when he was talking he was also talking about himself, he said things like men/we, so I thought he meant himself, oops.

If he's not attracted to women they why does he sound so angry about them being allowed to be fat etc, surely how women look and the men choose or don't choose will be of no concern to him. It would make more sense for him to complain about society allowing men being able to be fat and ugly as it limits his choices if he doesn't find that attractive. Genuinely confused why he seems angry at women in that regard.

I'll see if I can find the interview, apologies for my mix up.

The other thing that made me feel ill was the chap who asked about his daughter - Roosh said he should get her married at 18, and have children - otherwise she'll end up with one bad boy after another "many if you are going to use her" (it's about 7.20 on the video) - I didn't notice it first time round, but was re watching - and it makes me sick.

UkmmTheSecond wrote - "If he's not attracted to women they why does he sound so angry about them being allowed to be fat etc, surely how women look and the men choose or don't choose will be of no concern to him."

Control and hatred of women is not directly proportional to sexual attraction. Misogyny is not a gay-free zone.

Clearly Roosh thinks the daughter will end up with men like him and his brain dead audience.

It's all about power. These men probably believe, like Tyson Fury, that women are only good in the kitchen and on their backs. That's what they think we're good for. That's where we should be.

And then there's Josh saying that women have got all the rights and services that they need. Hmm Equality there is not.

Watching things like this always makes me wonder how these men have got to adulthood without a single fulfilling relationship with a woman or girl. They seem to view women as some other kind of species with whom entirely different rules apply than for men who are, you know, people.

I wonder if they grew up in very isolated or sex-segregated environments. I grew up with mostly sisters and female cousins, went to all-girls schools and only socialized with girls. I have to say that until I was maybe 18 or 20 and in college with mixed gender socializing, I viewed men with deep suspicion to be treated warily, never as friends. Obviously that changed! My attitudes changed immensely but I do still have mainly female friends and am more socially awkward with men (although am happily married!).

It makes me think that a lot of this apparent hatred of women is actually coming from social dysfunction. They seem to want sex desperately but lack the social skills to interact with women and they blame women for that instead of taking a look at themselves.

So a combination of poor social skills and a sense of male entitlement to sex...pretty toxic and unattractive combination.

Is it just me, or is Roosh's apartment the very antithesis of a love-nest? I bet it's got that grim wank-too-much-wash-too-little smell. He is too old to live like that - everything about him screams LOSER. And his beliefs are repellent too obvs.

Speaking of 'wank too much' I cracked up laughing when the camera zeroed in on the roll of toilet paper next to Josh(?)'s bed! A tad unnecessary but funny....

This was the 18 year old who was living with his parents in Essex (I think) and making YouTube videos about how women's rights had gone too far.

I laughed at that too, Patrick!

Me three

I can't watch this, I'm worried it would make me too depressed and angry, but I am curious; was it portrayed in a way that showed sympathy to these men, or made them look like mental idiots?

Reggie looked pretty bewildered most of the time, like 'wtf are these guys on?". Made me realise if you don't belong to feminist groups online (or anti-fem/MRA type stuff) than you probably have no idea that this kind of thinking is out there. I wasn't surprised by anything I saw but my dp was. Although he is more of the opinion that these men are a very small minority of extremists where as I think they are more common.

Looks like the cavemens cage has been rattled:

www.rooshv.com/the-bbc-and-reggie-yates-release-their-hit-piece-on-the-manosphere#disqus_thread

That one page of that sote is ridiculous and I'm so sad I've given it another click.

The part that mkes me laugh the hardest is the picture of Reggie with lipstick and his nails painted etc and Roosh questions how many "straight men would pose for a photo like it"
I didn't realise having colour on your nails and lips means you're gay, I thought it was being attracted to the same sex, can't believe I've been wrong all these years.
(Not to mention how many rockstars etc have worn lipstick and nail polish)

It's basically petty name calling.

Oh dear Curly, sounds a little bit like the sad face write up Britain First did when they were exposed for the bigoted arses they really are in a program made about them using their own words.

I'm just watching the linked video with Roosh video response, Roosh says if a woman says were not having sex tonight, it's normal for the man to think of (legal) things he can do to change her mind, he doesn't know a single man who who will go "oh ok then" and leave it at that. That no means no, until it means yes. And nobody would get laid if everyone was like Reggie. That's coercion isn't it? I'm sure there are plenty of men who don't need to coerce women to sleep with them, and the ones that do are worrying tbh.

At the end of vid he addresses a female singer who complained about her documentry being scrapped to show Roosh instead, telling her to "sit down and let the men talk" and calls her a clown. Dismisses her work as mindless stuff produced by white men.

I haven't seen it and it's not on iplayer. However from the clip on BBC website I am veering towards agreeing with UninventiveUsername's husband.

I don't know (nor want to know ) much about him but the links below are in the top Google entries. Starbucks are peddling a homosexual agenda. There may well be other swivel eyed loons who believe that, motivated by their own brand of swivel - eyed lunacy whether religious or extreme politics but they are minority extremists too. I can almost forgive Starbucks' creative tax accounting for pissing him off so much.

www.rooshv.com/why-heterosexual-men-should-boycott-starbucks

mobile.twitter.com/rooshv/status/679822228012318721?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

The comment about no straight man would pose for a photo like that is hilarious. Without even applying any brain power there's Kurt Cobain, Dominic Cumberbatch, Johnny Depp , Keith Richards and countless other rock stars.

I had a period through the rabbit hole a couple of years ago when I briefly dated a PUA. I was fascinated by the whole thing and spent quite a bit of time lurking on their forums to try to get my head round it. They have a certain language. As a result I worked out that a guy I had been seeing before that and who I was still friends with had also been a PUA. I challenged him and he admitted it. They're pretty predictable.

UKmm, I would say it's all about coercion, to a greater or lesser extent. It's a continuum and on one end is rape. Some of them are fairly close to that line.

David Futrelle has written about this.

iPlayer link

Futrelle wrote

Still, seeing him present his ridiculous “philosophy” live highlights not just how noxious his ideas but also how incredibly, well, dumb they are. Roosh clearly wants to upgrade his status from that of a burned-out, rape-apologizing pickup artist to that of a great thinker. The only problem is that thinking isn’t something he does particularly well

I only watched a few minutes and came to the same conclusion. And his tour wasn't exactly playing Wembley Stadium.

The part that mkes me laugh the hardest is the picture of Reggie with lipstick and his nails painted etc and Roosh questions how many "straight men would pose for a photo like it"

Only the straight men who aren't boring?

I am a big fan of Jim C. Hines, who did some trying to copy the near-impossible cover poses of female main characters on book covers. It's hilarious. And I do think that probably not many men would do that - makes him the more awesome.

Probably not what Roosh meant?

"It scares me as I wonder just how many men have this anger and hate towards women."

I have a female friend and we were chatting a few years back and the subject somehow came round to discussing how men and women relate to each other as people.

I told her how some men absolutely hate women. These are men who have wives, daughters, responsible jobs, intelligent, upstanding members of the community, normal in every way. However, when they are alone with other men they say things they would never say I front of other men. Stunningly shocking.

My friend has a lovely husband and went to an all girls school. Been a SAHM and was aghast that men were really like that.

Its true some man absolutely hate women. They live with women. They don't beat them up. Good providers, Good Dads too apparently. They just despise women.

I am a man and I would say about 1% of men are like this who I meet. Its irrational hatred.

Parick - "I wonder if they grew up in very isolated or sex-segregated environments"

No. It makes no difference. I know men who went to single sex school, mixed sex school, heterosexual men, homosexual men. Upper class, midlde class, working class. There is no obvious pattern. Its unfathomable. Its just irrational prejudice like racism.

PUA?

PUA = Pick Up Artist
I think.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_artist

Basically the men that should be avoided. If their kind never succeeded in their "Pick Ups" then they'd slowly vanish, hopefully.