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Career and children and husband

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PuntasticUsername · 16/11/2015 08:45

I'm not totally sure what I want to get from this thread - I think I just need to rant a bit and see if anyone else out there feels the same way I do, if I may?

I recently read the KPMG Cracking the Code report (www.kpmg.com/UK/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Pages/cracking-the-code-research–behavioural-differences-in-the-workplace.aspx) after it was linked from the Justine-shouldn't-have-said-that thread in AIBU. One bit (among lots of good stuff) particularly resonated with me - that women's careers can often have a slower burn to them in terms of the person's ambition. Women are less likely then men to start out intending to get to the top, but such ambition builds over time.

So it was with me. I joined my current workplace almost straight from uni in a standard graduate role. It took me seven years to achieve my first promotion (most of that time I was very unsure if I'd ever leave the coalface, or even how much I wanted to), but only five to achieve my second - and that was with two lots of 9 months maternity leave within those five years, and working between 25-32 hours per week for the whole of it, vice full-time as before. The second promotion partly came about because I was lucky in finding a team that really wanted me and could use my skills best at the higher grade, but mainly because I went on a big ZHOOOOOOM (that's a technical term) of personal development over that period and...well, got a lot better at lots of things, basically.

So, after the second promotion I was left thinking ok, I've achieved middle management. I have maybe 30+ years work left in me before I retire. Do I want to spend the whole of that time at my current level or do I want to try and move even higher? I think I want to move higher, actually. How much further might I be able to get? I want to find out! So I'm now more ambitious than ever and trying to do as much as I can to develop my skills even further in the relevant areas.

I'm still working part time (28 hours, hoping to go up to 32 soon if childcare arrangements change). I'm bloody fed up of it. I've done it for five years and I'm very frustrated at not being able to do more and develop faster. I also need to travel as part of the job (on average one night away every couple of months, though it's been more lately as I did some training). This is generally possible with enough notice, but sometimes there is huffing from DH as he claims I haven't consulted him when planning travel even though I blatantly have and he's just forgotten...

Separately, I also struggle in my days at home - my two boys are lovely and generally good, but toddler wrangling (plus before and after school care of Reception child) is stressful and tiring and generally unrewarding and I worry it's not doing them much good being with me sometimes. On bad days I just about manage to keep them safe and fed but I spend a lot of the rest of the time crying.

Here's the rub. DH has always worked full time. He doesn't want me to go full-time as it would mean using more childcare, and he doesn't think children should be away from their parents that long. Apparently his job is too important and they are too short staffed for him to consider going part time, even though we both work for the same large employer that is generally very good at accommodating flexible working requests (he's also the better paid out of the two of us, though as I've pointed out to him, this differential would be much smaller if I was working more and ascending the pay ladder faster). A few weeks ago I had a bit of a meltdown and begged for us to find a way to change things as it is sending me crazy (I had horrible PND after DS2 btw); between us we couldn't find any way that would allow me to go full time or do more travel, but he has started doing sole childcare one pm/evening a week so I can stay late at work - this is making a huge difference to me. But that seems to be the limit of what we can achieve.

Am I being totally unreasonable and selfish in feeling this way? Should I just try and can it until the children are older and everything's a bit easier? Please don't slag DH, he's amazing in just about every way except that I just don't think he quite understands how crazy it's sending me that out of the two of us, it only seems to be my career that has suffered through having children - at the time we took the decisions I was happy to do the long maternity leaves but since the horrible experience second time around and the promotion at work, I'm just so OVER the whole bloody thing it's not TRUE. It just doesn't seem FAIR. Is there anything else I can say or do to try and make myself feel better?

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trilbydoll · 16/11/2015 19:21

I can understand your DH not wanting flexible working - while it is the employer's problem we all know in reality the p/t employee tries to do 40 hours work in 24, fails, and colleagues pick up the slack. It sucks and it's the big thing I hate about being p/t. But if he can see why he doesn't want to, surely he can see why you don't want to either?

I'm p/t but my two full days DH does pickup and I am not necessarily home before bedtime. For sick days he does more than his fair share, will go in at 5am to do a few hours before I need to go to work. And that makes me feel like we are juggling everything together, it's not just my problem.

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 17/11/2015 14:16

If your income is that comfortable, then I would view a nanny for a couple of years as a good investment in both your careers - and as in investment in your marriage.

wickedwaterwitch · 17/11/2015 16:21

Have only read your op but YANBU and why should your career suffer and not his? I'll read the thread now!

wickedwaterwitch · 17/11/2015 16:35

He really is being unreasonable and you've tried to explain but he's not interested. They're his children too, I'd go with booking them into childcare and increasing your hours, if he doesn't like it then quite, he can do something about it can't he?

Wise words about 'what ifs' too from a PP - you'd be stuffed, he wouldn't, basically

Headofthehive55 · 17/11/2015 17:16

Well if he thinks the children should not be in full time care, he needs to go part time then.

My DH has never suggested that I should do anything. He just facilitates the best he can. It's not easy, but I certainly second that his salary is earned by you also. It's a joint team effort, childcare, earning.

My DH drives several hours a day just so I can stay in my part time job where I feel I am accepted and part of things.

PuntasticUsername · 15/01/2016 13:00

Right. You know when a thread runs for a bit, OP gets loads of good advice but then it all goes quiet...then she comes back later with a kick ass update? Well BRACE everybody as THAT MOMENT HAS COME.

You were all totally right with your advice about the way forward, and I left this thread knowing I would have to find some way to effect change, even if I still wasn't sure how. I struggled through the end of the year and Christmas, still regularly quite tearful (because, you know...Christmas...) and was honest with DH about my feelings of not being able to cope, feeling like a failure, feeling I was letting my children down by not being the best mother I could be. And he was his usual wonderful self - hugged me a lot, told me I was doing brilliantly, reminded me that I've got through a huge personal trauma (which I haven't shared with you all - don't worry, you didn't miss it!) in the past year and generally should be a lot easier on myself than I ever actually am. And he took the DC out alone a couple of times over the Christmas holidays so I could have time to myself.

So we got through Christmas, but the real sticking point for me was always Fridays once back at work. Since Christmas I've had two of these - last Friday, and today. Last Friday was ok because I went and had a good rant/cry on my lovely health visitor, so felt a lot better. This week, I took a/l from work on Tuesday and had a day shopping and generally pleasing myself, which was LOVELY. I told myself that this was me stocking up on me-time, and that it would mean I could get through this Friday.

DH randomly phoned me this morning about half an hour after he'd left for work. I was already in tears as I'd just shouted at DS2 for doing a totally normal irritating toddler thing, and was feeling like shit.

We talked for a bit, and the upshot is that DS2 will now be attending nursery on Fridays so I can go to work.

I am happy Smile and I like my husband a bit more than I did first thing this morning! I've not totally enjoyed being so honest with him about how bad I've felt lately - the feelings of failure are still strong (though I know I'll get through them in time) and I still have a very powerful, lifelong instinct not to let anyone in or let them help me. But this is what I needed to do. And now, he gets it. Praise be, he gets it! And I get to go to work on Fridays! Yippee!

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PalmerViolet · 15/01/2016 16:46

Glad it's all worked out for you as a family.

cailindana · 15/01/2016 18:49

I'm glad your DH has finally listened to you but it concerns me that you say you've been crying so much and finding it so difficult to cope with the children - do you think you could be depressed?

PuntasticUsername · 15/01/2016 20:27

Yeah, the HV asked me the same thing last week. I did have PND after DS2 and in many ways, I don't feel I've been quite well since I had him.

It's hard to judge. I've had periods of feeling absolutely fine and when I haven't felt fine, it's generally been connected with spending a lot of time looking after the DC by myself. So I've always seen that as being the issue to solve Smile dunno, maybe I should go back to the doctor. I took citalopram for a while but could never decide if it was really making any difference.

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museumum · 15/01/2016 20:36

Good for you. Give it a couple of months and see how you feel.

IMO nobody should stay at home for ideological (not financial) reasons who dreads and hates it so much.

Personally I get really really stressed on Thursdays about finishing my weeks work and not being around the next day but I do love my Friday with my ds when it comes. If you don't, and can afford not to, don't do it.

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