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The Magnificent Deborah Orr in the Guardian (re. hacking)

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 21/08/2015 21:26

I imagine there might be other threads, but I thought we'd have one here.

She's written this in response to the hacking and MRA tactics, and you need to read it because it is ace.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/mumsnet-hackers-seem-too-pathetic-to-be-true

Only one issue - I smell a rat when she claims she just happened to google MN and find us. I think she's a regular - right?

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Gruach · 21/08/2015 23:50

Thanks for flagging it up. (Lately I've been finding the Guardian rather comment heavy and the least interesting source of news - but that was reassuring.)

Have to say I've been quietly proud of the fact that we have not allowed ourselves to be silenced.

StitchandBitch · 22/08/2015 07:38

Great article, thanks for posting it OP. Couldn't resist reading below the line - argh - my blood pressure Grin
But seriously, the anger directed at a mostly female space, which never fails to astound me, it must be rooted in fear and sheer inadequacy...

Have nc'ed due to being on the list.

abbieanders · 22/08/2015 07:59

I read some of the remarks ftp romantic the clammy coleslaws below the lone. Don't worry, Jeffrey has plenty of support from the assorted losers and weirdos who make up cif.

abbieanders · 22/08/2015 08:00

By ftp romantic, I mean btw from of course.

YonicScrewdriver · 22/08/2015 08:02

If you are reading Deborah - thanks!

Tiredemma · 22/08/2015 08:05

There is no way she found us from just 'looking for leggings' ( I think she put this in as a Wink to let us know she is a mnetter)

Great piece- made me smile

LumpySpacedPrincess · 22/08/2015 08:57

Great article, just don't read the comments at the bottom.

Or do and use it as rocket fuel to keep fightin' the good fight. Smile

Mumsnet isn't anti-men, but it is pro women and there just aren't many other sites like that out there. Even the other parenting sites I can think of have so much internalised misogyny that they aren't really pro women, just a place where women meet to chat online.

There are so many women on MN who have opinions that I find abhorrent, but my goodness I will fight for the right for them to have their say.

abbieanders · 22/08/2015 09:23

I think there is a non trivial number of Jeffreys who think that pro woman is anti man.

FarelyKnuts · 22/08/2015 09:28

I am a fat hairy lesbian stereotype Grin Though not that old and no dungarees.
The article was brilliant.

IndomitabIe · 22/08/2015 09:31

YES Lumpy! I absolutely agree.

YonicScrewdriver · 22/08/2015 09:35

"Mumsnet isn't anti-men, but it is pro women and there just aren't many other sites like that out there."

Nailed it!

Devilishpyjamas · 22/08/2015 09:38

He swatted yet another woman who engaged with him on Twitter in thursday night. So that's 3 now plus whoever the 'media' is (presumably DO) if he carries out the latest threat.

He must be seriously annoying the police now.

I'm always stunned to find men who are so threatened by women. All my RL make friends are lovely. I said to DH that he didn't realise how much some men are threatened by women, but he pointed out that he occasionally comes across them in work, so does.

With a very male household (lots of sons) I do my best to point of mysogeny etc. Luckily their father is a good role model.

hazeyjane · 22/08/2015 09:38

I find it really sad that a lot of the anti mumsnet vitriol seems to come from other women (see daft blog referred to in the comments). Fair enough there have been times when I have seen some fairly abhorrent behaviour from posters on mumsnet - but that is because some people are arseholes, and people (like arseholes) are everywhere. It is a bit like those lone shooters who go in and mow down a whole school because someone in the 5th grade was mean to them.

To only see bitchiness, bickering, pedantry and insults on a forum which also has such wonderful wit, friendship, advice, support and generosity (look at the special needs boards, woolly hugs and various ongoing support threads), is very sad.

Devilishpyjamas · 22/08/2015 09:39

That's true about being pro- women, rather than anti-men. Interesting that some men interpret that as anti-men.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 22/08/2015 09:49

I'm always stunned to find men who are so threatened by women

Sadly I run into them far too often and I'm Mrs. Normalish from Normalsville.

Love your user name hazeyjane I was listening to some Nick Drake 'tother day. Smile

HidingFromDD · 22/08/2015 09:56

The police really can't ignore swatting though, as this may be the one occasion when it's not a hoax - too big a risk to take

hazeyjane · 22/08/2015 09:57

Without wanting to sound like a sycophantic blee blah, I love your name too - we are huge Adventure Time Fans in this house, and I often think that LSP is based on dd1 ('I said LUMP OFF MOM!!!')

howtorebuild · 22/08/2015 09:57

Other are also a few who look down on others intelligence levels, or ability to argue a point.

I hope DO spent the night away from home, so she missed being swatted.

MsMermaid · 22/08/2015 09:58

I agree about mn being pro women and there not being many other places with the same pro women stance. A lot of places I've been just sort of shrug shoulders and say "that's just what men are like, what can you do?" whereas here people respond with "not all men do that, you don't have to put up with it"

That must seem anti man to people who have the idea that men are just like that.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 22/08/2015 10:07

hazey Adventure Time is great isn't it, I watch it even when the kids are out. Blush

LightningOnlyStrikesOnce · 22/08/2015 13:57

Oh god I looked at the comments. Help, my head's spinning round and round and I'm being thrown into a parallel dimension where everyone on mumsnet is a horrible abusive bitch and part of a massive conspiracy to get at men the poor little dears.

Honestly, do these people actually see the same website that I do? Are there 2 mumsnets running in parallel?

LumpySpacedPrincess · 22/08/2015 14:17

If you ever needed proof about how scared men are of women having a voice just read the comments section under any article that even makes a nod to feminism.

UptoapointLordCopper · 22/08/2015 20:11

I would never have known about fleece-lined tights if not for MN. Grin

First place I look when I want something sensible, be it feminist opinions or how to get ready for secondary school or what to cook for dinner or what book to read next. Hurrah for MN!

LibrariesGaveUsP0wer · 22/08/2015 22:17

I always think the thing with "Ooh, these women hate men" is that those people (which sadly includes many women) are so unused to hearing the female voice.

Say there was a hypothetical topic with a standard male view and a standard female one. The male viewpoint is 1. The female is 10. Public conversation should come out around 5. But it doesn't. It comes out about 2. Then people come on MN and it's a 7 or an 8. And they are confused.

But here's the kicker. Every time they heard that 2, they thought it was balance. They thought the 2 was a 5. So that 7 now doesn't look a bit female skewed. It looks angry and threatening and out of all proportion. It looks like a 12.

They had no idea that what they thought was balance was privilege. So they feel attacked. They lash out. They see it all a big conspiracy against them..

And then some of them turn into Lily Allen's URL badman.

scallopsrgreat · 22/08/2015 23:38

I agree Libraries.

I also think that men are a bit scared of women getting together and talking (without a man to steer the conversation) Because we may start talking about them and how they treat us and the scales dropping from our eyes. And that might end up with women taking away all their free labour and resulting in the days of make privilege being numbered.

There's a fair few men been dumped in their sorry abusive arses because of MN, and here's to many more Wine.