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Corbyn and feminism - is this guy for real?

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RoyRants · 07/08/2015 20:25

I'm a leftie but no fan of Corbyn - his ideas seem well out of date, and kind of weak, and as for his stance on feminist issues, they seem a little conservative to me

what do you guys think?
first post by the way

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NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 16:06

I do not like the decriminalisation arguments myself. I'm going to fall foul of comments elsewhere about lefty types who think other things are important - I think the prostitution is one issue, which I'm not happy about, but will accept temporarily because of all the other issues which will benefit women: rebuilding the public sector will help women, as women have been disproportionately affected by its reduction. Given what I think is an urgently dreadful state of the country, socially, economically and environmentally, I'd like to start with getting some democracy reinvigorated and that will hopefully clear the way for further dialogue on other matters.

morall · 08/08/2015 16:21

He doesn't have a realistic chance of being elected.

NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 17:01

Do you mean as Labour leader or as prime minister? If the former I'd say it's looking pretty realistic. If the latter, I'm not entirely convinced of that: but even if so, do you think being elected is more important than what you're being elected to do? Even if not we would once again at long last have a voice for the ordinary working people, not just the well-off and privileged, one that is also concerned about the lack of representation for ordinary people, in the heart of politics. It's about time Parliament started working again.

NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 17:05

Our governing system was not originally set up as a system of two opposing parties: it was set up as a place where representatives of the people (well, then, of course, the well-off) could come together and talk, debate the common good, hammer out a consensus for the public domain. I'd like to see a wider range of views represented and some real debates, rather than the formal squabbling over just two 'party lines' that are basically much the same and neither of them benefitting the majority of the people in this country.

morall · 08/08/2015 17:05

As Prime Minister. It reminds me of Michael Foot all over again. And a political party can't achieve anything if it is not elected.

NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 17:08

Yes it can. In a working democratic parliament. Ours ain't working.

NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 17:13

Of course, then I'll have the problem that in a democracy most people aren't going to agree with me that we need to put sustaining the environment that sustains us first, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it Smile

CaptainHolt · 08/08/2015 17:38

I think it's hard to predict what would have become of Michael Foot if it hadn't been for the Limehouse declaration and the Falklands war. It's a bit like comparing apples and oranges, or at least apples and apples in two completely different circumstances.

I hate Andy Burnham, but then I work in the NHS. I think it is a bit rich to call Corbyn weak and conservative when Burnham trots along behind the Tories, voting for their policies after saying we shouldn't vote for their policies.

NoTechnologicalBreakdown · 08/08/2015 18:16

Burnham of course is now switching sides and coming out with left-wing policies now that he sees which way the wind is blowing. Vote for him if you want another shape shifter lusting after power and no idea what should be done with it. Stereotypical hypocritical professional politician.

Anniegetyourgun · 08/08/2015 22:00

But what is the point of being elected to do almost exactly the same as the party you just replaced? Answer: the salary comes in handy. Oh, you meant the point to the electorate. Er... pass.

morall · 09/08/2015 09:52

I was not a supporter of Blair. But anyone who doesn't see the difference between the Blair Government and the present one, has their eyes closed.

juliascurr · 09/08/2015 14:03

worth contacting him re prostituton with some abolitionist arguments

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RoyRants · 09/08/2015 20:08

Corbyn should join TUSC and leave Labour to the mainstream - people will never elect a guy to be PM is he advocates abolition of Trident and leaving UN - doesn't matter how good (or bad) those ideas sound, people will just NOT go for it - therefore this guy can only harm the Party

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RoyRants · 09/08/2015 20:12

I'm voting for Andy Burnham not because he's more to the left or right of Corbyn, but because he has a far more realistic chance of winning

and as for Corbo decriminalising prostitution, anyone have any info and that as that's the first I've heard of it - the Greens believe in this too by the way

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RoyRants · 09/08/2015 20:16

some of you are saying that Corbyn is the voice of the working people - ok then, so what will he do about the mass immigration and EU problem then?
sounds to me like he's in favour of both still, yeah right, that's so great for the working man/woman

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RoyRants · 09/08/2015 20:19

Tony Blair was a hero for the workers of Britain - he brought in the min wage for a start , and has now forced the Tories to the left

but what good will Corbo do other than increase the sales of Socialist Workers and other Trot idiocy?

and hey, the guy sounds like he wants to legalise sex-work ,so how will that pan out for the poor and vulnerable, prob not so great

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wafflyversatile · 09/08/2015 20:23

This is a joke, yes?

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RoyRants · 09/08/2015 20:25

why would it possibly be a joke - Tony Blair has been the best PM in a long while, or do you disagree with the min wage, equality etc..?

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BakingCookiesAndShit · 09/08/2015 20:56

Illegal war, several hundred British service personnel killed, several thousand maimed, million civilians killed and/or maimed? Those service personnel not properly cared for, Iraqis who helped being targeted as 'illegal' aliens......

Yeah Blair was just peachy

WorzelsCornyBrows · 09/08/2015 21:43

Blair was not a hero for the workers. I voted Labour in 97, didn't vote Labour again until he was gone. The Iraq War was unforgivable and the man was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

MuddhaOfSuburbia · 09/08/2015 21:54

TB Hero Of The Workers?? Get stuffed Grin

Party member here, sick of being told not to vote for Corbyn

Had no intention of voting for him at first (altho agree with most of what he says-but was being cynical pragmatic)

Now v likely to vote for him. Posts like this only reinforce that

I want an opposition that OPPOSES

CaptainHolt · 09/08/2015 22:46

so what will he do about the mass immigration

Why does anything need to be 'done'? Immigration has a net benefit both to GDP and to the dependency ratio. We do have a housing shortage but Corbyn has said that he wants to build more social housing? What has Andy said? Is he going to get some more xenophobic mugs made?

wafflyversatile · 09/08/2015 22:51

You're kidding yourself if you think you're left wing. Or that Tony Blair made the Tories move left wing. Labour moved right wing.

CaptainHolt · 09/08/2015 23:05

In what way did the Tories move left?

BakingCookiesAndShit · 09/08/2015 23:14

ok then, so what will he do about the mass immigration and EU problem then?
sounds to me like he's in favour of both still, yeah right, that's so great for the working man/woman

No, you're actually joking here. Or you're a teensy bit factphobic. Go and stick you're head back in the Daily Express, seems to be your level.

Might not agree with all Corbyn stands for, might in fact vehemently disagree with a couple of things. Will be voting for him for leader. Now, mostly thanks to you.

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