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Possibly the most ridiculous card ever?

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Senigallia · 07/07/2015 20:20

Browsing the cards whilst waiting for my train this evening and saw this. So depressing that this 'humour' is still seen as acceptable and funny.

Possibly the most ridiculous card ever?
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cadno · 10/07/2015 12:22

No, you need to re-read the judgement. The Judge ordered Beatrice to receive £35,000 pa plus the cost of a nanny, with both to be index linked. In addition, PM was to meet the cost of school fees.

laurierf · 10/07/2015 12:27

cadno - fine, and that's a specific payment for the child. You are ignoring the question of what reasonable financial settlement should be made for the living standards of one parent, the one with the greater parental responsibility and far lower earning potential, relative to the living standards of the other parent.

I think the judge came to a reasonable settlement.

MrsDeVere · 10/07/2015 12:31

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cadno · 10/07/2015 13:23

If I'm ignoring it, its only because its not the be all and end all. This whole area of law was looked at by the House of Lords Appeal Court in a case called Miller v Miller. That case set out the current approach for Courts to follow.

In it, they decided that in order to achieve a fair settlement the Courts needed essentially to look at 3 areas, needs, compensation (for loss of earnings / opportunity etc) and sharing of matrimonial assets. In the paul&heather case, it was held that compensation and sharing featured little, if at all. So that only left the question of need.

I agree that their general life style in marriage was one of the issues to be examined, as there is a list of considerations that Courts ought to take into account when reaching their decisions, and that's contained in s25 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 here and subsection (c) is for the living standards of the family during marriage to be one such consideration.

Clearly the Judge in this case is mindful of subsection (c) - hence his comment about the level of periodical payments for Beatrice. Also, even though PM had the potential for an extravagant and hedonistic life style, its not at all made out that this was the case - especially if you read excepts of his statements from the case.

And as they say, no matter how rich and powerful you are, everyone puts their trousers on, one leg at a time.

BakingCookiesAndShit · 10/07/2015 17:03

Nope, I suppose everyone flies a helicopter from one of their houses to another. I know I do Grin

YonicScrewdriver · 11/07/2015 15:47

Why has this thread become about heather mills, Cadno?

cadno · 11/07/2015 15:52

Take it where you will, Yonic.

Anniegetyourgun · 11/07/2015 19:48

I think the original point was how little PM had left of his personal fortune after a thorough rinsing by his predatory ex-wife. How much was it, again?

laurierf · 11/07/2015 20:05

Ah, yes, Annie, but God knows how anyone can make do on so little but poor PM was expect (sic) to do just that Hmm….

… I suppose everyone flies a helicopter from one of their houses to another. I know I do

Without googling, I bet he has either lectured people about, or given money to, the issue of "climate change."

ChunkyPickle · 11/07/2015 20:28

I care about it very little either way, but 30k is only just enough for a full time nanny - and that's not on rockstar nanny salary.

Also, I went to secondary school with PM's son for a bit - a normal, bog standard comprehensive in Rye (Paul and Linda came to parents evenings and everything) so I don't think you can really say that private school is necessary for a son of a rockstar, still it was still a tiny percentage of his fortune, and the judge felt it was fair.

laurierf · 11/07/2015 21:35

I don't think you can really say that private school is necessary for a son of a rockstar

It's shouldn't be necessary for anyone… particularly when you can pay for hugely expensive top up tutoring… but we digress of course….

I think the point is that the option should be there in the way it is for all these children of the super-wealthy… whether they take that option or not is up to the parents. PM/LM didn't take it for their now adult children and PM was obviously keen to extend the same treatment to his young child with HM, but HM should clearly have an option and a say in that.

YonicScrewdriver · 11/07/2015 23:00

Agree re nanny cost, chunky - wasn't Gwynneth Paltrow pitching her nanny job at £60k??

PM is probably considerably richer than he was when in the Beatles given the decades of royalties since then.

ThunderbumsMum · 11/07/2015 23:09

£30k is not enough for a nanny, even a cheap one. It is enough for an unqualified one.

ChunkyPickle · 12/07/2015 07:23

Yeah - it's about 8.50 an hour for a 50 hour week - which you wouldn't even get an unqualified nanny for round here. You need to pay an absolute minimum of 10/hour, and more likely 12 (take home). - I suppose that HM is expected to contribute half?

True, yes, HM should have had a say in it all - and 30k a year is not a lot of money at all in the grand scheme of things, when your dad was a Beatle.

BikeRunSki · 12/07/2015 07:47

Didn't The Beatles sell the rights to their royalties to Michael Jackson? I know PM was fighting for them back, but I don't think he's got them yet.

Anniegetyourgun · 12/07/2015 13:05

He hasn't sat on his ass collecting royalties since 1970 though, he's done loads of stuff that earned money since. (Not commenting on the quality thereof as it's a matter of taste.) A very quick Google indicates that last year he was down to his last £710M and was so traumatised by his experiences with the dreadful HM that he couldn't bring himself to get married again. Oh wait...

All in all, although I'm sure it was far from a jolly experience for all concerned, PM probably wasn't the best example to pick on under the heading of "famous men who lost everything to grasping exes".

DadWasHere · 12/07/2015 15:03

Seems to me people will be, commonly, as mercenary/predatory in divorce as courts allow them to be, irrespective of gender and even if they both started marriage with good intentions.

Stealthpolarbear · 12/07/2015 15:19

"
Yesterday 23:09ThunderbumsMum

£30k is not enough for a nanny, even a cheap one. It is enough for an unqualified one."

Surely 30K is only his half?

ThunderbumsMum · 12/07/2015 19:59

Is it? But why is he paying half when he's paying for everything anyway? It's a different world anyway, that's for sure.

YonicScrewdriver · 12/07/2015 20:07

I don't think he pays for everything - Heather Mills earns money in her own right.

Stealthpolarbear · 12/07/2015 20:35

Well she should be surely?

Mygardenistoobig · 13/07/2015 07:46

Why would anyone feel sorry for Paul McCartney?

He makes me feel sick.
He was old enough to be hm father.

Paid the price for being a dirty old man slVering after a much younger woman.

Didn't he marry again straight away?

Yeh must have been heartbroken then.

Mygardenistoobig · 13/07/2015 07:47

Oh and he is far too old to be fathering a child at that age. Totally irresponsible.

Stealthpolarbear · 13/07/2015 08:24

If you mean me I don't feel sorry for him at all (other than losing his wife which was sad). I am just pointing out that the 30k for the nanny is surely 60k

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