Please can I just say that...

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...I love you crazy lot!

In RL I rarely get the chance to discuss feminist issues because the people I know are reluctant to identify with feminism (probably for reasons pointed out in BR's chat thread)
So it's an absolute life saver to be able to come here and know I'm not alone.

I don't find FWR unwelcoming, lively yes!, but not hostile to those who genuinely want to engage. Plus there are so many clever posters who are kind enough to share their time and knowledge (come back Buffy!) and I've learnt so much..

So thanks that's all.

Oh. Haven't seen that.

I have heard someone refusing to employ a woman to do a job because there was heavy lifting to be done. This is despite the fact that this woman lifts heavy things all the time, and she was dismissed out of hand just because she is a woman. Makes me angry.

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And it wasn't a comment about women not be-able to do heavy lifting jobs, the person you were addressing was working in an environment were strength was a must, and she coped very well, and she said she was probably stronger then the average man. but her husband was stronger then her, and that men in an environment that needs this work doing would in general be stronger.

You took it, as if she was saying women can't /won't work there, and all men were stronger then women.

What yops said above - as a man, I think this is a great place to learn about things that I wouldn't otherwise have thought about for a second. it can be intimidating but that's only because the standard of debate is, by and large, very high.

I'm taking my leave of this place as a poster as I've taken a view that it isn't in principle, cool for me to be posting here (the Buffy thread feeds into this a little - i certainly don't want to be seen as part of a problem) but in signing off I just wanted to say thanks to all the posters who have (sort of) tolerated my interjections

And it wasn't a comment about women not be-able to do heavy lifting jobs, the person you were addressing was working in an environment were strength was a must, and she coped very well, and she said she was probably stronger then the average man. but her husband was stronger then her, and that men in an environment that needs this work doing would in general be stronger.

No - I was responding to someone who said that there are things that men can do and women can't. I asked what they were as the only thing I can think of is penis related and explained that I was a manual worker for many years and it is not that women can't do those things, if they chose to do so. I was then asked not to respond in future by the OP.

AT, I think it was just that the OP wanted to know the reasons why some women don't identify with feminism.

She wasn't trying to shut down your opinion but just wanted to create an environment where non-feminists could give their honest opinions without being told they were wrong.

There was another thread in FWR for us to dispel those myths.

FWIW I really appreciate the fact that you are so confident in women's physical abilities - it certainly made me feel better!

AT, I think it was just that the OP wanted to know the reasons why some women don't identify with feminism

And I wanted to explore some of those reasons. But hey ho.

On the subject of the OP, I also wanted to say thank you. It's this board that explained to me that SAHMdom and feminism were not mutually exclusive and thus a new feminist was born.

tentatively dips toe into water

I found both threads really interesting and thought that on the whole both 'sides' kept it within the parameters of sensible discussion - by and large, anyway, particularly on the second thread which gave some of the FWR poster's perspective.

I came to bertrand's thread as I don't identify as a feminist. I'm not saying that I now do, however it has made me think about feminism and particularly my reasons for dismissing it.

After some serious long time lurking I made my first FWR earlier. So far so good!!! What made me post finally actually was the thread about non feminists I thought I finally should declare my feminist view point and not be scared that I wouldn't be allowed in the group (big scaredey cat!!)