Caitlyn Jenner is 'too good looking'...

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Is there already a thread on this? I've looked and don't see one, so apologies if I'm repeating.

I've just opened our Saturday paper down here at the bottom of the planet, and there's yet another article where a transgender woman is bemoaning the unfairness of Caitlyn's good looks versus her own less than amazing looks.

A couple of quotes from the article: "...the discussion has quickly zeroed in on her elegant femininity - a look far out of reach or most transgender women".

"Caitlyn's beauty makes it problematic for a fat old queen like myself who ... could never emulate Raquel Welsh or Michelle Pfieffer".

And ... "The discussion remained traumatically offending to transgender people whose own 'accident of birth' will never allow them to be a Caitlyn".

Um ... welcome to womanhood...? The looks of pretty much all women who feature of the cover of Vanity Fair are out of the reach of most regular women.

Is this genuinely surprising ... ? It's akin to Dustin Hoffman expressing dissatisfaction with his Tootsy make-over, and saying no, he wants to be a beautiful women. Not a plain one (to be fair, his subsequent epiphany was rather lovely). Well, don't we all, mate, don't we all.

I apologise in advance to any transgender people who think I'm making light of an issues facing their community. But this is an issue that has faced our community since, well, forever. It's part and parcel of being a woman. We are judged, first and foremost, in our looks. Not our ability, or intelligence, or kindness. We are judged on our looks. Welcome to our world!

Thanks, beach.

I am baffled by the "Caitlyn, we can't wait to get to know you" meme. CJ has been on the planet 65 years. She has changed her name and aspects of her appearance. She is talking about feelings she previously kept hidden. I hope she is more comfortable now than she was previously. But is she a whole new person to get to know?

Thanks Beachcomber I am finding this whole debate a bit of a minefield!

I am a Christian and come from a very evangelical 'background', which I still embrace although I am now affirming of gay relationships and I want to be loving and affirming on all LGBT 'issues'. My struggle is that I am also a feminist (although not a very radical one!) The issues around language and inclusion and female only spaces make me want to 'take the side of' women because I want to protect things about our sex, but I also want to be affirming that some people will want to have gender reassignment surgery (or whatever the PC term is now) and I am supportive of that!

So to be on a Facebook forum recently where saying that there should be women only spaces almost got me labelled as being transphobic (well that was an exaggeration but that is how it felt) I came away just thinking what can I say! Some Christians I know would not like some of the stuff I say which is pro-gay, and most non-Christians might dislike other stuff I say!

So I am navigating how many people can I upset in one place!!

Well shoot about an hour ago I wrote that then settled in to read...

thenewbacklash.blogspot.fr/p/new-2.html

And well, just wow! Scary. Not new to me but all in one place and pretty clear, and just so scary.

I also wonder if anyone knows any Christian sites (any kind of Christian) dealing with any of this stuff, because some of these links would probably be just too hard for me to post on facebook. People would be turned off by the rude words (e.g. 'would you kindly suck on my womanly dick'!) and probably would not engage.

Plus they are very long.

I just wonder if there are any less scary but still real places to find this out, any UK sites or as I say Christian sites? Please? I know a huge ask!

Plus someone somewhere linked to a Facebook page that had pro trans but also some 'look out man in a dress looking under toilet doors' kind of story on Facebook, a kind of meeting place for trans but also 'worried about it all' people and I had a look, it looked like a place where people could share concerns but without excluding trans people, and I liked the look of that and now I can't find it. Anyone know where it is, please?

Don't want to derail so have started a new thread (here) to try and find the Facebook page. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2402121-Facebook-group-for-trans-people-and-feminists-is-there-one?msgid=54956628#54956628

I found the facebook group, thanks to another poster on the thread I started.

www.facebook.com/groups/genderdiscusssion/

I also found this very helpful, not too long, not sweary article from a transwoman and it is fab!

transywansy.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/transwomen-are-women-period-or-not/comment-page-1/#comment-51

Feels good to see views so clearly expressed from within the trans community.