Religion and women

[RaphaelHuard]

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I recently became a convinced feminist and would like to polish my ideas, so that my argument are stronger when i speak on that specific subject.

Here is one of my idea about religion and feminism.

In my opinion, religions that demonised women are the very reason why they are treated as being under men in most, if not all country.

When even your religion convince you that men is above women, it explains alot.

Knowing that we, humans, are easily influenced, you then understand why men really do think they are above women.

In the bible, there is several part where it is displayed. I know they say things like: "He is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man."

So you see, it is women, then men, then god above them all. In that order. Do we really need to structure relations between us? Are we obsess by hierarchy that much? Why do men feel the need to have power over there own specy like that?

All it does is helping divide the two genders. But we are way stronger united.

Without a companion, wether it is a man or woman, we feel weak. With a companion, we feel like we can accomplish anything. It is about time we learn to appreciate the opposite gender.

to vdbfamily:

I respect your point of view. But could you please make paragraph next time? It is heavy to read a big bunch of words together.

I understand some women want to feel safe and looked after, it is natural.

Perhaps men want to feel safe and looked after, even if they do not express it as much as they would like.

Maybe because, according to the role they had for several milleniums, men are suppose to be be strong and show no weakness, instead of expressing there need, that are human needs.

Everyone want to feel safe and looked after.
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to BuffyNotRebooted:

Well, i am also an anarchist. I do not believe in hierarchy. But, i will agree with you that hierarchy do exist in our societies.

We do submit to alot of people, or an administration, such as our government, or the company where you work.

I still think that a relation between two humans that love each other should differ from the relation with the relation your government, or your boss.

We are both from the same specy, both need one another to survive, to procreate. None of the gender should be above another, none of the gender is more important than the other.

If you feel safer in a specific role as a woman, and your man is satisfy with his role, perfect match! I have no problem there.

I have, on the other hand, a big problem with women, but mostly men, that keep women from taking there place in society.

Best example i can give is politics. In the United-States, more than 80% of the most important jobs, like congress.

And in that less than 20% of women, alot of them incline to think like the men that own those jobs, and being complacent to there ideas. Wich is why they are there.

Sadly, those jobs are also where you can influence your society the most. So you see, it is a vicious circle, that require alot of fighting. Equality is not reach yet, not even in the most civilized country, imagine in country ruled by archaic thinking.

to vdbfamily:

I respect your point of view. But could you please make paragraph next time? It is heavy to read a big bunch of words together.

I understand some women want to feel safe and looked after, it is natural.

Perhaps men want to feel safe and looked after, even if they do not express it as much as they would like.

Maybe because, according to the role they had for several milleniums, men are suppose to be be strong and show no weakness, instead of expressing there need, that are human needs.

Everyone want to feel safe and looked after.
t
to BuffyNotRebooted:

Well, i am also an anarchist. I do not believe in hierarchy. But, i will agree with you that hierarchy do exist in our societies.

We do submit to alot of people, or an administration, such as our government, or the company where you work.

I still think that a relation between two humans that love each other should differ from the relation with the relation your government, or your boss.

We are both from the same specy, both need one another to survive, to procreate. None of the gender should be above another, none of the gender is more important than the other.

If you feel safer in a specific role as a woman, and your man is satisfy with his role, perfect match! I have no problem there.

I have, on the other hand, a big problem with women, but mostly men, that keep women from taking there place in society.

Best example i can give is politics. In the United-States, more than 80% of the most important jobs, like congress.

And in that less than 20% of women, alot of them incline to think like the men that own those jobs, and being complacent to there ideas. Wich is why they are there.

Sadly, those jobs are also where you can influence your society the most. So you see, it is a vicious circle, that require alot of fighting. Equality is not reach yet, not even in the most civilized country, imagine in country ruled by archaic thinking.

So sorry for the double post, i was not even finish checking my text and it posted it self. I must have clicked some key on my keyboard posting that text. Oh well, sorry again.

"In the United-States, more than 80% of the most important jobs, like congress, are owned by men..."

Again, i didnt want to post my text, it posted it self, i still wanted to polish it. Annoying >.

Also, about the baptism idea, i think it is way smarter to let you children choose what religion he want for him self when hes old enough to figure it out, than force him into integrating your religion.

I was not baptize, even if both my parents were christians. It is one of the thing i am most grateful to them today :)

re baptism.....being baptised does not make you into a Christian, it is a symbolic gesture either done as an adult or undertaken 'in faith' by the parents and is often seen as a point at which the child is welcomed into the church family officially and the parents make vows to bring the child up in a Christian family.
It in no way makes the child a Christian.
It would be interesting to research whether as a general rule, men want to feel 'protected' by their partners or whether they want to be the protector. There are always exceptions to all rules which is why being rigidly stereotypical is never helpful. I certainly do 'care for' my husband in many ways.
re the role of women in society, I think it is multifactorial. On radio 4 today they were talking to women in politics. Many were happy to get involved in local politics but did not want to be in Westminster as it would involve being away from home for long hours.I think that is a choice many women make genuinely because they want a work/life balance and are not prepared to let work take over. There are some work roles where you are on duty 24/7 and that is why you get paid silly money. Many women do not want those sort of jobs.

Here is the first phrase describing baptism in wikipedia.

"Baptism is a Christian sacrament of admission and adoption"

So you see, it very much look like you become a christian. You are admitted into christian faith, you are adopted into christian faith.

Your child do not understand religion yet. In my opinion, it would be better to let him choose when he understand than kinda force him into entering the church.

Of course you do as you want. I know you already said that your husband decided for both of you that you would not baptise your child yet, just saying what i think on the matter.

Also, the church is the whorst kind of place you can educate your child in.

In the bible, there is no mention of hell. Hell is a creation of the church to control the mind of men and women by fear.

I do not have a problem with spirituality, but giving your self to an establishment that want to dominate you by fear, is not really what i call the best we can do. I know we wont agree on that, i hope you wont take it as an insult.

I don't take it as an insult at all as it is not my personal experience of church at all. In fact, the church I grew up in did not have a priest/vicar/minister so as a congregation we were encouraged to read our Bibles,discuss what we read and decide how we understood it and what it meant today to us.
I give no power to any church leader. They are a 'servant' who works full time for the church but if they say something I disagree with I will discuss it with them. The established church may have power over some people but I have not seen it.
It is actually the most amazing place to raise your kids. It is the only place I know where a whole bunch of people from completely different backgrounds and ages chose to get together regularly when the only common ground they have is their faith. My kids have friendships with all ages. They get to sing every week. They enjoy spending time with their church family and wherever we travel in the world,we can turn up at any church and know we will be made to feel welcome. I love it.

Sorry...I also meant to say that I agree that Baptism of a baby is used as an 'admission' to church but to be a Christian,that is something you have to decide for yourself.No-one else can do that to you. A child is not expected to understand that so they are 'adopted' into church family and life but they are certainly not a Christian.
I am glad you said that though as it explains some of the debates I have had on MN with atheists who feel it is wrong for me to force my children to go to church and be Christians. As I said, you cannot force anyone to be a Christian.It has to be a genuine,personal decision.

to vdbfamily:

You look like a very nice person :) Yes, church might be a good place to educate your children because of the people surrounding you, that are very nice as well.

It can be pleasant for your childrens to sing. Surely.

But still, the church exploit people beliefs to brainwash them thinking there religion is the right one, while there is alot of religion in the world.

Why is there religion the right one, and not the others?

Cant we just use logic, and respect everyone on this planet without creating a rift between each others, like religions do?

So you see, in the end, it is a bad idea to me, even if i do not have a single doubt that the vast majority of the people going to church are kind.

The church it self is archaic and have a tendency to dominate. Just like many men do to many women all around the catholic world, thinking they are above them.