'If masculinity needs to be revolutionised, so does feminism'

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Martin Daubney's latest article in the Telegraph is an open letter to Caroline C-P.

www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/11283181/If-masculinity-needs-to-be-revolutionised-so-does-feminism.html

Daubrey says "If effective gender reprogramming were even possible, it is a concept that has thus far eluded humanity’s greatest sociologists, psychologists and criminologists – but we all like a good challenge. " But then later on regarding male suicide he says "Too often, these men are socially conditioned to think reaching out for help is “un-manly”. " So his first insinuation is that any attempt to gender re-programme is laughable, but later on pins it as the cause of high male suicide rates?

I don't know if he is being disingenuous or genuinely thinks feminism means men=bad, women=good. A truly equal society would not enforce rigid gender roles on people purely because of their genitalia... therefore am I as a feminist not asking for the same thing he is? Or is his overall point that the way things are is inevitable as gender programming is set in stone and in no way a result of societal pressures, advertising, consumerism etc.. oh wait, no, he blames social conditioning on male suicide.. therefore he thinks it can be changed?

I hope you can make sense of what I'm trying to say here. I'm mostly posting to get the views of the much wiser posters who frequent this section as I am confused and probably missing the point.

NoUnauthorisedParking I think we have similar views

I'd love to hear from him which victories it is women are achieving at the expense of men. One woman on a banknote..? Men no longer being legally allowed to rape their wives perhaps?

it is not just that he wants there to be a replacement movement for feminism, it is that he wants to be one of the people leading it, despite not stating any actual solutions to the problems men face, and having no particular expertise in the matter.

He believes otherwise:

Since my time at loaded, I have become an advisor and consultant on the biggest masculinity and feminism festivals and think-ins in the UK because I believe common progress is about diversity of thought.

He apparently thinks that due to this he is amply qualified to lead us all over this glorious new horizon. But as you say, I didn't notice many solutions being offered to the problems of either men or women.

Yes, think-ins.

Although, by the time I'd got to his lovely feminist credentials, I'd mostly given up giving him any sort of benefit of the doubt. I think that someone from here has been to each of the big feminist things this year, and I don't remember him at RadFem, anyone else?

A 'masculinity' festival sounds like a hoot though, would that be where they all hang out naked in boiling hot tents and then run about freezing cold fields? Or is that a bit 1980's?

They had the Being a Man festival at the Southbank early on in the year. Dunno if it was a full-on masculinity festival; I didn't go.

makes sense for him to be writing open letters to a feminist who has won a human rights award, inviting her to join him, because it creates the perception that he is some equivalent level of activist and they are in dialogue with each other to create some new movement that he will be at the forefront of. Totally agree but wouldn't have realized it. I think this is a very very smart point almond

I think he was putting 2 and 2 together a lot and getting 5.

Men have a higher propensity to violence than women and so no doubt women and other men when placed in front of those people will suffer disproportionately to women. By that I mean women don't seek to dominate other women and men to the same degree and to level of violence.

With suicide I thought it was found that men are more often found to have chosen options for which there is no coming back or window to be discovered compared to women?

I would agree masculinity needs to change, as from the suicides there are a fair number of guys who need to talk.

Though isn't it femininity not feminism needs to change away from kowtowing to a male defined image and behaviours?

All those women (and men) who thought Dapper Laughs was funny need to question why.

'Trolls' and the 'internet hard man' need to be addressed.

Feminism sometimes seems like the elephant with three blind people all thinking its something different.

While this Daubrey is trying to declare himself the emperor of the new gender theory, Jessica Valenti has written a Guardian article in which she seems to think too many people who are not really feminists are calling themselves feminists, including some women with a very long history of fighting for women's rights.

So maybe those two should get together and create their own movement.