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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Grisham's twisted views

112 replies

Stressing · 16/10/2014 12:36

So fuming about John Grisham airing his twisted views on child porn. /www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/10624453/John-Grisham-child-porn-argument-wrong

Especially this part, whilst referring to his friend who had the book thrown at him apparently: "So he went there (to the site), downloaded some stuff - it was 16 year old girls who looked 30.

"He shouldn't have done it. It was stupid, but it wasn't 10-year-old boys."

WTF? So it's okay apparently to get pissed and wank off over images of young teenagers who may or may not be around the age of consent, so long as they look 30. And, more importantly, it's okay to do this so long as they are not male.

The fact that we live in a world where there is any kind of grey area surrounding child porn depresses me. How the male need to be sexually gratified is SOOOO important that it presides over the innocence and well-being of a child makes me utterly sick to my stomach.

JG has the arrogance and self importance to put the US justice system on trial due to his version of what he thinks is acceptable and not acceptable - of who is worthy of law enforcement based on age and gender.

You can bet your life that his mate didn't just view a site depicting consenting age females. He went there because he was drawn to the borderline element of the site, obviously, and probably went elsewhere - which is why he had the FBI knocking on his door.

But, according to JG, the fact he wasn't looking at boys means he wasn't really doing anything wrong.

It incenses me.

OP posts:
FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:11

What's a low level offense when discussing child rape? Or paying others to film child rape?

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/10/2014 22:11

Yes, anything which perpetuates or causes child abuse should mean a prison sentence for first time offenders.

I agree that there should be fewer people in jail. Partly to make room for those who really need to be there, such as men who rape children, men who take pictures/film men raping children and men who dowload or view pictures of children being raped.

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:12

I don't think he was saying looking a pictures of boys was in anyway different to looking at pictures of girls - it is 50/50 and he chose one.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:13

So are you claiming that words have no meaning and it's fine to continue to use any word no matter how offensive or inaccurate?

"Nigger" would have been a word every understood for black person at certain times and places. Should they have kept the word just because it was understood?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:13

FOF - a first time offence, and very few pictures accessed, also perhaps not paying, not having sought it out purposefully? Lots if criteria I would use to class as low level.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:14

That's exactly what he said. Is English your first language? Confused

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:14

FFO - what a daft analogy!

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 16/10/2014 22:14

Glen - it is a fallacy to suggest that use of the phrase child porn is some kind of endorsement.

Child porn is a misnomer, because it suggests that something consensual, something acted out. What these men are viewing is real sexual abuse of real children.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:14

remind me not to ask you to babysit

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:15

How so?

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/10/2014 22:16

Quite Sabrina

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:16

Also FFO - I see how you draw that conclusion over the boys thing - I just don't draw the same conclusion. I think it takes a bit of a leap of faith to make.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 16/10/2014 22:17

I know MRAs have agendas, but is defending pedophiles really on the agenda now?
Yes.
www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/2jf3xu/mras_defending_the_viewing_of_child_rape_porn_say/

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:18

Sabrina, I agree - but we all use inaccurate language for things, it does diminish our understanding. Hoover, drone..

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:19

Interesting how advocating not jailing, becomes actively supporting of the offence in the minds of some people!

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:19

Doesn't diminish.. doh!

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 16/10/2014 22:21

I don't understand why you would use inaccurate language for things, brighton.
Oh, wait. Yes I do.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:21

Prisons are where we as a society put people when we think they have done something very bad

If you think wanting to look at pictures of children being raped is not worthy of prison... it certainly implies you don't see it as a bad thing.

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 16/10/2014 22:23

You were right the first time brighton. It does diminish understanding.

Isn't it time to polish those hooves?

CrotchMaven · 16/10/2014 22:24

Do you identify as a libertarian, Brighton?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:25

FOF - not really. That argument doesn't hold water. I don't think a first offence for assault should mean incarceration either, I also don't condone assault. Sorry to have to point this out!

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:26

Just seen Puffins post on another thread Grin

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2207975-An-MRA-describes-his-debate-technique

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/10/2014 22:28

Blush aww shucks Grin

YonicScrewdriver · 16/10/2014 22:31

*"Anyone who harms a child for profit or pleasure, or who in any way participates in child pornography—online or otherwise—should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

My comments made two days ago during an interview with the British newspaper The Telegraph were in no way intended to show sympathy for those convicted of sex crimes, especially the sexual molestation of children. I can think of nothing more despicable.

I regret having made these comments, and apologize to all."* www.jgrisham.com/a-statement-from-john-grisham-2/

From.m another thread.

Thoughts, Brighton.