Female Game Developer

[GodPlayedByJamesMason]

I'm a frequent lurker here but never really post but just felt I had to after reading this article about a female game developer and the threats she receives just for doing her job, I don't know what response I want really, just someone to talk through with me how horrific this is/how brave she is for refusing to break/what can we do, you know?

Petula, well by the same token then many radfems are anti-women. Not all feminists are women though either.

You mean the post by Buffy that begins, "Woah, subtle! Lurkers will have the intelligence, unlike we frothing ideologues, eh."

(although her free interpretation of what I actually say is funny! )

from what i have heard of the evidence it is the opposite. though perhaps"sex and violence" and "sexual violence" are different things. certainly in terms of normalising misogynistic behaviours beyond gaming. as i say, though, gaming is not something i know much about. can you point me in the direction of the evidence you know of?

Social constructionsim is a radical theory. It was developed precisely as a radical alternative to positivism (not because it was better - it was never tested!)

I never said radfems don't understand feminist theory. I think you read that bit wrong

I have aspergers. It's not scorn

Yes, I don't know any scientist who would claim that science was objective today (apart from maybe a mathematician and I don't know any of them). More, the scientific process is the best system we've come across to help minimise bias and (importantly) ego from study. Objectivity is an approach, not an end in itself,

Social constructionism was developed by radical feminists (from postmodernism) as an alternative to positivism though, wasn't it?

Add message | Report | Message poster Monkeytrousers101 Tue 14-Oct-14

'The trigger was a woman developer who was outed by her ex-boyfriend for sleeping with journalists for good reviews. Clearly it wasn't a nice thing of him to do, and no one is giving him kudos for that, but it opened a can of worms that was about to pop. It was just the catalyst.'

Monkey trousers, this is completely untrue, surely? The woman in question had a relationship with one journalist, who never reviewed her work during or after the relationship. You have turned that into 'sleeping with journalists for good reviews.' So it is now multiple people and she is sleeping with them in order to get the reviews. Surely you can see that you stating it as if it were fact when there is no evidence it is, is a. pretty sexist and b. really personal for you to say such a thing about another individual online? What if that woman was you, your daughter, your mother, your friend? They are a person. And I'm sure others will be making up such stuff too, but no one raindrop thinks it caused the flood etc.

I have sympathy with a lot of what you say. The Internet is a complex world of sock puppetry, manufacturing wrong doing which paints whole communities as bad when it was a couple of people, people getting up to sinister plots, online stalking, bullying etc. It can be hard to know who is the goodie and who is the baddie and people use social justice for weird popularity and power grabbing reasons.

But there are women involved in this who have been threatened with murder and rape, and the police are involved. None of us need to make judgements about the sock puppetry, gaming or any other drama on a corner of the Internet to condemn the continued threatening of women online, or ask why this keeps happening.

"The trigger was a woman developer who was outed by her ex-boyfriend for sleeping with journalists for good review"

I'm calling bullshit on this one. The trigger, of that particular tide of misogyny was an ex boyfriend (Eron Gjoni)who made up stories about his ex sleeping with journalists and this lie was repeated and repeated until it has the status of fact in the eyes of those who prefer to silence women.This attack was coordinated using 4chan. You can read the evidence here if you choose not to believe a woman when she says she's been sexually harassed. I, for one, do believe her as the actual evidence as opposed to the endless repeating of unsubstantiated lies.

Anna Sarkeesian is an example of the sheer fury that women are subjected to when they dare to hold a mirror to men's behaviour.

In both cases (and in the cases of other women) they have been driven out of their homes by men posting their address online and following this up with with rape and death threats.

That's feminism for you....dangerous.

The trigger was a woman developer who was outed by her ex-boyfriend for sleeping with journalists for good reviews.

Didn't that turn out to be bullshit though? The ones that she slept with didn't review her game and the ones that she did sleep with reviewed her game before she slept with them? So the trigger for the movement is a bullshit attack on a woman who has done nothing wrong? Excuse me if I don't rush to sign up.

I know I can sound like a dick sometimes, but believe me, I'm never far away from a joke. I don't take myself as seriously as I might sound. I'm usually just trying to compartmentalise.

And I haven't come here to argue for the sake of it or troll. I often learn more from talking to people I don't necessarily agree with. I don't see the need for being rude to people I don't agree with though, or taking that disagreement personally. I'm always trying to understand something better rather than gather evidence that I'm right. I couldn't give a toss about me, the questions are far more important. So if you'll tolerate me as a resident devils advocate...

ohh I don't know noblegiraffe. I've not gone back to it. He was a dick undoubtedly for doing that - her ex that is.

But even if that is true, awful as it is, it was a final straw not a first one. The journo corruption and bribes was about to pop anyway.

But the journo corruption and bribes didn't exist except in the fevered imaginings of a spurned man.

The trigger was misogynist angry, bitter and entitled male nerds just getting more and more misogynist, angry, bitter and entitled until finally shit like this is happening.
They think they own both the internet and the entire medium of gaming. They think both the internet and games should be a cosy chauvinist zone just for them, and that videogames shouldn't be treated and criticised like other art and media.

But it is personal. You are making allegations that another woman has advanced her career through her sexual conduct.

I think you do need to gather evidence that you are right before you say that kind of thing about another individual.

Shouldn't these be basic standards of behaviour? Don't cyber stalk, make up allegations, threaten people?

I don't understand what the point is of being the devil's advocate. Have the conviction to be an advocate for what you believe.

But Slug, I'm a woman hold a mirror to men's (and women's behaviour) and I don't get subjected to any abuse. Why? Because I don't call men misogynists or women anti-feminists and try to shut them up if they disagree with me. Again, we need to distinguish between legitimate criticism and harassment. Sarkeesian does not respond to legitimate criticism she only disseminates the minority of abuse she gets.

Gamer Gate and the newer #NotYourShield picked up by gamers of all shapes, sizes, creeds and colours is a testament to that. That is true inclusivity

anyway....schoolrun!! Go!!!

Slug, they did. www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mmofringe.com%2Fforum%2F9-Industry-Drama-Culture-and-Rumor%2F33310-gamergate-timeline-of-gaming-industry-journo-corruption&ei=Hi49VLbpIuKu7Aa-3oHABQ&usg=AFQjCNF7tPAKCWBnZB_BeTsW_bpkpcuQWg&sig2=QpwfPLfzTHn62QsmYifYMA&bvm=bv.77161500,d.ZGU&cad=rjt

well devils advocate was the wrong term then. Not doing it for the sake of it at all. And I'm always polite and hopefully we can still have a laugh while disagreeing