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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should we as mothers and fathers boycott the NFL?

22 replies

hnewpz · 15/09/2014 18:19

After a slew of domestic violence cases in the NFL emerged this past week, many are asking whether we should stop watching football and supporting this industry altogether.

I read this interesting article about why women should not support the NFL: www.hubub.com/205703/209818

Do you agree with the point that the author makes? is supporting the NFL hypocritical?

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SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 18:25

Well I didn't know what the NFL was until I clicked the link.

I doubt many in the UK follow it in the first place, TBH.

I mean you get all this shit with the premier league as well. And look at Mike Tyson. I have read in the US there is a problem with university sports stars getting away with sexual violence.

It's a problem across much of sport probably.

iklboo · 15/09/2014 18:27

It's not big or hugely followed at all in the UK. I don't know anyone who watches it or has an interest to be honest. I can't boycott something I don't support in the first place, but can understand why those who DO - and who have family that do, would consider it.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 18:28

Or at least the sport that is widely followed, generates £££ and features spoilt idolised males who have been pulled out of school into a lifestyle where they are told they can do whatever they want, and the law and their own teams etc generally back that up.

thatstoast · 15/09/2014 18:30

Are you in the US? For most people in the UK not supporting the NFL is pretty much the default. It's difficult though as I would say the NFL are so much better than the FA/soccer in general.

Debs75 · 15/09/2014 18:31

I don't agree no.
We see sportsmen getting away with bad behaviour everyday and as role models it is wrong that they seem to be able to get away with murder, DV and even traffic offences. I wish it didn't happen but it does and I for one do not know how to stop it.
To expect the sporting organisations to punish the players when the police won't is a bit much though. I know sponsors often pull sponsorship from individual players when they drag down the companies morals. Aside form the NHS. teaching and policing I don't see other companies punishing employees over DV or traffic offences

Debs75 · 15/09/2014 18:32

iklboo it is becoming very popular in the UK, especially with the Wembley games. Even DD's new uni has a team. Over here it still lags behind football but is much better

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 18:52

"To expect the sporting organisations to punish the players when the police won't is a bit much though."

Not really - e.g. football punishes players for things that they do both on and off teh pitch.

The idea of removing support (and therefore money) from something that you disagree with is tried and tested also. And TBH with a lot of these things no-one listens until you hit them in the wallet.

I doubt that a boycott will get anywhere though. People in the UK dont' boycott the premiership / football teams no matter what the players do. They seem to be immune to the standards of everyone else due to, you know, "sport".

iklboo · 15/09/2014 18:53

Ah, is it? Thanks Debs. I didn't realise. I should say it's not caught on to a massive extent with the people I know, work with etc - and I know I don't work with the whole UK Wink

Where we are it's football, rugby (both codes), cricket, boxing etc that are more widely followed.

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 18:54

This is american football right?

They have the cheerleaders too I think?

So an all-round fail from the feminist MN perspective probably. Asking a bunch of UK feminists whether they would boycott the NFL is a bit like asking Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall if he would consider boycotting Kentucky Fried Chicken Grin

SevenZarkSeven · 15/09/2014 18:56

Oh do you know what, while we're talking about sport. DH was watching some kind of mountain biking championships on the BBC website yesterday and he said WHY don't they show this sort of thing on the telly? AND we got 1, 2 and 3 AND it was the women!!!!!!

So I said, yes, I might be interested in watching that.

Why is it all about fucking football?

Greenwayslide · 15/09/2014 19:31

Because more people want to watch it so more money to be made. Although I would consider it BBCs duty is to show alternative sports.

Also NFL will have 3 league matches played in the UK. The first is at the end of this month.

FuckOffWeasel · 15/09/2014 19:33

You don't even have to look to university football. High school football "stars" are getting away with sexual assault.

I think one of the Steubenville players is back on the team after serving his time. Despite being a convicted rapist, he is back in school and playing football.

I think it is worth wondering if the UK should be supporting NFL now actually as the NFL really is trying to get it's foot in the door with the Wembley games as mentioned above.

CaptChaos · 15/09/2014 21:51

You don't need to look across the pond at all.

Convicted rapist Ched Evans for example is almost certainly going to be resigned to his old team, some of whom were part of a group of people who outed the woman he raped.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 16/09/2014 08:59

Above link goes through to Jezebel.

jezebel.com/if-you-care-about-women-and-still-support-the-nfl-you-163190348

I don't think it's a mothers and fathers issue, is it? Isn't it a humanity issue?

FuckOffWeasel · 16/09/2014 09:06

404'd bland.

I think the OP is just making the point as it is a parenting website and wanting to get people on board that way.

But definitely everyone should be fucked off with the NFL. They are quite happy to keep someone around who would knock a woman out and then drag her body around like a bin bag. But hey, she was only a woman. If he had done it to another player and they thought he was dangerous to men they'd have sacked him straight away I'm sure. Bastards.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 16/09/2014 09:07

Oh, huh. It worked for me a minute ago!

FuckOffWeasel · 16/09/2014 09:08

(realise he has been fired now btw, just don't believe for a second that they had the idea the whole time and never saw it).

Serenitysutton · 16/09/2014 09:18

I agree that the UK is boycotting it by default. Despite a few international games at Wembley etc it's incredibly niche. So a boycott would be worthless but it would be good to have an awareness of this sport to prevent any future rise in popularity

sausageeggbacon11 · 16/09/2014 12:47

I am not sure it is being boycotted given the amount of coverage it gets on sky and the number of viewers. Certainly gets much more coverage than womens sports on tv. 6 hours or so every Sunday evening but thank heavens for Spanish football so my boys haven't got into it. So long as we watch the games on TV the money will be there for the NFL and that will encourage violent players to be more violent in game to earn money and this is likely to spill out into players home lives.

I do find it interesting that we haven't seen similar around rugby although that may be because of the way rugby is taught at school, it is not seen as a way to get out of the "ghetto" and away from gangs which from what I have seen does happen especially to defensive players whose job it is to hit other players. This household watches the superbowl most years so have a working knowledge of the sport.

Debs75 · 16/09/2014 19:38

Ok spoken to Dh as I was a bit confused about the slap on the wrist fine and apparently initially he was fined by the club as they were told he was in court on a dv charge. Once the video was released he has been dropped indefinitely here
It does put the kibosh on how the NFL lets them get away with anything, especially as Adrain Peterson has now been suspended over child abuse claims.

I think that seen as these are ordinary people who have been courted from a young age and told they are brilliant they do not always have the best advice on being an overnight success, nor does the newfound fame and money wipe out their upbringings (AP says he was whipped as a child and does not see anything wrong with it)

Yes NFL has cheerleaders using sex appeal to 'sell' football to fans and to keep them entertained but we know that sex sells anything be it aftershave, cars, chocolate or diet coke.

I don't feel that by watching NFL or any other major sporting event I am being a hypocrite

ChuckTheSchmuck · 17/09/2014 12:10

I've NC for this as my ex has been stalking me all over the Internet and this will really out me so I don't want it linked to my previous posting history.

So, I was the first female American Football player in the UK to play kitted football. The rules used to be that boys and girls were on the same teams for Juniors which was non contact up to the age of 15. After that it became Youth which was kitted. A lot of girls dropped out at that point, some carried on playing but moved to a female only team and league (which had about 4 teams nationally, so was shit).

I played for my local team on the Juniors and the year I was due to turn 15, the head of my club was also on the league committee. He asked me if I wanted to carry on and if so, could I write a letter to the league as there was an actual rule prohibiting girls playing. Most of the committee wanted it changing, but they needed an application from someone to make it happen.

So I wrote in, it was rubber stamped and I played a season of kitted football. I spent that season being a curiosity to other teams, the mythical girl they had heard rumours about. It got to the stage that so many other teams were waiting for us to arrive and get off the coach to see if the rumours were true and my team had gasp a girl playing, that we used to travel down in themed clothes just to make the most of our audience. The Reservoir Dogs day will stay with me forever. Turning up for a game, the coach doors opened and then the film's theme music was played as 20 odd youngsters in suits and shades filed down the steps.

Anyway, I digress. None of the teams I ever played had changing facilities for me. They were all either purpose built AF club houses or soccer clubs that also hosted the AF. No female changing in any of them, so I spent a season trying to negotiate putting on shoulder pads in the toilets in a rush, because there was a line of lads outside who needed a pre game pee. I never once got tackled in a match. If I'd been any good at all, this would have been brilliant for my team, but alas I now know I am Dyspraxic Wink. No one wanted to hit a girl. I wasn't a player who signed up for a contact sport, I was a delicate flower who needed protecting.

I'm sure everyone thought they were being nice and chivalrous and stuff, and I never once heard a bad word about my being there, but it was still made very clear I was 'other'. I wasn't a player like everyone else, because I wasn't male and it was a male sport.

I think it became a self fulfilling prophecy in that there were no girls wanting to play, so no facilities were created for them, then no girls wanted to start because there were no facilities for them so it seemed they weren't wanted.

The thing is, I don't think that is an American football specific issue. As I said, many of the away games I went to were at soccer club houses and they didn't have female changing either, just home and away. I think it is a general sport issue.

Male sport is seen as more worthy of attention, funding, worship and big pay cheques. Female sport is something cute the wifey does to keep trim for her hubby and is treated as such. Mixed sports are severely limited, strictly non contact and fall somewhere between male and female in terms of coverage and how seriously they are taken.

As long as male sport is lauded above female sport (in terms of segregating sports by gender like football for boys, netball for girls and of coverage of those sports) then sportsmen will be disproportionately idolised for their achievements, and excused from expectations of civilised behaviour in their private lives "because they can kick a ball really well" and that is more important than being a decent human being.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 17/09/2014 12:56

Saw this earlier, thought it made a few good points: Make Up Demo

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