Why don't women objectify men the same way?

[Annie11111]

Male models make nothing compared to women in the industry, almost no one can name a famous male model, about the same thing for porn stars, cam whoring and everything else that's related to lust and looks. Male nude mags are a tiny industry compared to women's and they mainly cater to gay men. Wasn't Connery named sexiest man alive when he was 65 or something? Can you imagine a woman achieving that? Not to mention the biggest male superstars (Clooney, Pitt, Depp, Downey jr and so on) are all around 50 or pushing it. No woman around 50 would have that kind of ''star power''. When Scar Jo and Jessica Alba get to 50 barely any guy would pity fuck them. I have lived in 4 countries and the news pretty much always have a ''silver fox'' male anchors and an attractive female side kick who is 15-25 years his junior.

Fabio?

Yeah, right.

They do, look at the frankly embarrassing comments made on britains got talent at the magician. It was awful and pleads to get him to take his top off. It was disgusting and embarrassing. If we truly want equality behaving and making comments we'd (rightly) complain about, shouldn't be made

"If we truly want equality behaving and making comments we'd (rightly) complain about, shouldn't be made"

But who is "we"? How do you know that the women making those objectifying comments to men are the same women who object to being objectified by men?

I should have put a wink next to my Fabio comment.

Should there be zero objecting?or are we still in 'two wrongs' ie gay men and women objectified men 'make a right' territory

im quite capable of objectifying many hot guys, but dont have any real desire to get with guys that don't have the whole package, personality wise, no matter how hot they are.

I think for women in general there is much less incentive to objectify since we are conditioned to feel we need so much from a man so we need to see the whole person, wheras a man is supposed to be self sufficient, so a woman is just an extra

Also what hasn't been touched on yet is the undercurrent of violence in men's objectification of women.

When men yell "nice arse!" at us from their cars, or hiss at us under their breath in the street, that's objectification. It goes hand in hand with the unacknowledged threat of violence. One of the reasons women don't answer back, is because they don't know whether the result of challenging the objectification, will be violence. Men don't have that problem when women are "objectifying" them. Women very rarely yell "compliments" (or harassment if you prefer) at random men in the street. And if they did, men might be surprised, outraged, or pleased by it, but I very much doubt they'd be afraid. Because women yelling at men in the street, isn't a reminder to men that they're only there on sufferance and have no right to be there without a female owner escort.

I'm not sure that 'nice arse' necessarily carries with it a threat of violence. When shouted out of a white van I don't fear for my safety. What it does do is remind women of their bodies, their physical appearance being a service to others for appreciation. Women bodies are not something we inhabit, to live in as vehicles to get about with but are for others to look at.

I despise being cat-called because it draws me out of myself and makes me suddenly consider myself as I appear to others, but because I feel unsafw. And because it's a rude intrusion into my attention. When I lived in an Asian country I used to get cat called ALL the time. The young guys just wanted to make the Caucasian woman look their way. My (then) husband (Asian) had no concept of what that was like for me. It wasn't until my SIL was out and about with me that anyone understood the relentless intrusion. She actually marched up to a teen and shouted at him at how rude be was being. He was so ashamed and apologised. It was great. I love her for that.

Mind you, when I returned to that country with my now DH
(also caucasian) we both got cat-called all day long, so it's not just a sexist thing.

NL I think all uninvited intrusion into women's space and time has an undercurrent of violence, because men only do it to women or to men they are prepared to perpetrate violence against (such as yelling racial abuse).

Normal men don't shout at women from their vans or anywhere else. It is always the misogynists, the ones who want to assert their privilege and remind us that we have no right to go about our lives without being reminded that we're there to give them boners. They know they can use the permanent threat of violence, even if they are not intending to use it against us themselves, to issue the cat-calls without being challenged.

Agree with Basil. Also if you do challenge cat calls etc because they make you feel uncomfortable you can be almost certain that the cat call will immediately escalate to abuse, not an apology, for the reasons Basil states.

Maybe you're right. I used to get cat-called when out walking my dog. A few times I turned around and marched right over to the men doing it. Having my dog with me made all the difference. its amazing how meek and apologetic they became when I brought my dog within snapping distance. I would only ever go over to say that i fine it bothersome to be cat-called. Politely and in their language (which always shocked them). I wanted to rehumanise myself to them. I never got abuse from them. Dog might have had something to do with it

LOL, I bet it did!