Which of these things would you ban?

[Annie11111]

1. Prostitution.
2. Strip clubs.
3. Cam ''modeling''.
4. Porn.
5. Nude mags.
6. Page 3.

My take :

1. ban
2. ban
3. ban
4. no
5. no
6. ban

I thought prostitution was illegal in the UK.

I wouldn't ban it...I would make it illegal to pay for sex.

I would like to see photoshop in magazines stopped. My daughter is 12 and already looks at these woman and thinking that's what they look like.

When in reality they look nothing like that.

Page 3 - completely out of place and needs to go

Prostitution is legal in the UK.

Annie what are your reasons for what you would ban, what you would not ban, and why?

Also what is cam modeling never heard of it. Do you mean sex work via web cam.

Yeah I didn't want to call it cam whoring. Prostitution is legal except ''soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering''. I don't know, I'd ban cam whoring because the girls could be in another country and you don't know if they are forced to do it. The others for similar reasons : exploitation and uncertain circumstances. Page 3 I just hate cause it's a paper + Murdoch so yeah fuck him.

I wouldn't ban it...I would make it illegal to pay for sex.

I don't know about that, it kind of treats women like children without accountability.

Back again, Annie?

Whoring? Really?

Why does making it illegal for men to buy sex, remove "accountability" from women?

What are they supposed to be held accountable for?

Wow, thread number 6!

Cam whoring?

Women should be accountable for????

Have you seen this? Who do you think should be held accountable?

Suspect I'll get flamed BUT....

If the women who do these things WANT to do them, then surely that is their choice as consenting adults? I know someone who has worked as an escort for 20+ years. She chose to do this, and is certainly not being taken advantage of by anyone. Things are strictly on her terms.

I think of all these I'd ban page 3 because it is outdated, and puts the public focus (given that a newspaper can be picked up and looked through by anyone) on breasts as something sexual and (forgive the pun) titillating, rather than being a place from which children may be fed.

Agree with banning photoshopping of images in magazines - this paints a totally unrealistic view of what women (or men for that matter) should look like.

Mrscosmo your points 1 and 2 are in contradiction though!

Either things that individuals choose to do can have a bearing on society or they can't. You can't on the one hand say if a person chooses to do it what's the problem (page 3 models who are happy in their work) and then in the next breath say you want to ban that very thing for the good of society!

Point taken Seven - yes, I can see that it appears contradictory. Personally I feel if someone voluntarily wishes to do any of the things above then that's up to them.

I was more picking up on the general concept of if I wished to ban something. Generally the other issues/items listed by Annie are directed at an adult audience, whereas a newspaper is not necessarily, hence my 'singling out' of p3. But yes, if a woman wishes to get her norks out in the newspaper, and she's happy to do so, then surely that's up to her?

I doubt you'll get flamed MrsCosmo.

Did your friend choose to become and escort out of a wide range of other opportunities open to her? Having finished her education and with the support and advice from her family?

The problem I have with your argument is that it discounts the fact that your friend didn't choose to do that in a vacuum. And what Seven said, why are tits not ok, but men using women's bodies as consumables are?

My friend chose to become an escort when her husband walked out on her leaving her with two young (aged around 7 & 10 years) children to bring up alone. Her parents are deceased, and her ex disappeared off the face of the earth.

She has few qualifications as she left school to help around the house for/with her elderly and failing parents.

She decided that for her this was a job she could do, in hours that suited her.

I didn't mean to imply tits were not ok, I mean that the mainstream media sexualises them, when they're organs for food. However, as I said before if women CHOOSE to work as actresses in porn films, or other, is that up to them? I appreciate that people may view these choices as degrading to women, and women being treated as commodities but if the women genuinely are selecting these ways to generate income should we be telling them that because we don't morally agree with their choices, that we feel they are being exploited?

3. Cam ''modeling''(whoring). - ban
4. Porn. - no
5. Nude mags. - no

Annie, I don't understand how you would ban Cam work, but are fine with porn and nude mags. Isn't cam work a type of porn?

I agree with you, what I was trying to say obviously not very well was, that the choice your friend made, while to her, was free, it wasn't. A man, in the exact same position, would almost certainly not have made the same choice.

I am not, in any way, trying to degrade or disparage the choice your friend made. What I am interested in, as a feminist, is the disparity between the choices that society sees as legitimate for men, and those it sees as legitimate for women. It really has nothing to do with morals, and I apologise if that is how I came across.

It's not as straightforward as that though unfortunately.

In the one hand you have many people usually women and girls but also men and boys who are working in various parts of the sex industry because they have no real choice or are forced.

Then you have the impact on all women and girls of females being presented as nothing more than sex objects who exist for the gratification of men.

In a world with no sexism or exploitation or poverty where people had real choices then the sex industry would be less problematical and arguably less interesting to consumers. While we're not at that point though the while thing is rife with difficulties both for lots of people in it and for society generally.

Jeez..... even more random commas than usual!

I'd like to live in a society where none of those on the list made sense.

HTH

What does 'HTH' mean in the context of these discussion? I know it is an acronym for 'hope that helps', but I do see it thrown in from time to time in random places. Is it sarcasm?

More like passive aggressive Curwen.

But you knew that.

I like a side order of passive aggressiveness in response to a bit of goadiness.

'But you knew that'

I was never sure tbh, and this is the only site where I have seen it used. Most other forums just tell one to piss off, or words to that effect.

Piss off is a personal attack, Curwen. We do the other kind of PA here!

Can i ban Annie?