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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Not all men

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AskBasil · 16/05/2014 22:20

Interesting article here

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kim147 · 20/05/2014 11:45

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BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 20/05/2014 11:46

"And also, if most of the time you're reading and nodding supportively but only actually appear when you want to disagree, all we will see is a man who pops in once in a while to say something negative, then buggers off again."

I agree with this.

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 20/05/2014 11:48

Kim, I do get that.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/05/2014 11:51

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Martorana · 20/05/2014 12:07

Manwithnoname- at the risk of sounding harsh, it does seem to me that on this thread you have done a lot of "you're not doing it right" and not a lot of suggesting how we should do it differently. I even asked you directly what words you thought we should be using to get our message across to men and you haven't replied.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/05/2014 12:07

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UptoapointLordCopper · 20/05/2014 12:09

I've said it before and will say it again - the camping threads are lovely. Grin

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/05/2014 12:11

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Martorana · 20/05/2014 12:14

Doghouse any day of the week. There are people on there who would save a dog from a burning building rather than a child. Scary stuff!

I would save a man before a dog. Might have to think if it was a cat, though..........

LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/05/2014 12:15

I feel utterly battered by this thread.

I see that, obviously, it is possible for people who disagree both to feel they've been on the receiving end of harsh criticism, and sometimes that's true. And sometimes, that's fine, because sometimes, harsh criticism is what we need to help us learn.

And other times, it's just a way to make feminists shut up.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/05/2014 12:18

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kim147 · 20/05/2014 12:29

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kinsorange · 20/05/2014 12:34

It is a tough place to post when you dont understand so many of the phrasaes and words, whether you are a man or a woman.
Who wants to keep googling?
Most posters on any board wont even press a link I have discovered.

Oh well. Will hide thread again.
I have done my bit.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/05/2014 12:40

No, I think in FWR, it is pretty much about making feminists shut up, actually.

kins - sure, I get that. But, well ... what other option is there? It's not like googling is really really hard.

Martorana · 20/05/2014 12:46

"It is a tough place to post when you dont understand so many of the phrasaes and words, whether you are a man or a woman.
Who wants to keep googling?"

Well, generally, people who want to inform themselves......

Or you could just try asking? I would be cross with myself if I used words or phrases that most people didn't understand, and would apologise and rephrase.

Dervel · 20/05/2014 12:47

There is a huge spectrum of people. Diplomatic, blunt, passionate, reserved. In fact we all have the capacity to be any of them at any given moment. Just to confuse matters the blunt person can have a really good point and someone appearing to be diplomatic can be spouting nonsense.

This whole discussion to me boils down to frustration. The status quo is massively frustrating both for women, and those men who support them. Although without question it's worse for women. I interpret the nam response as basically minimising that frustration. When in actual fact the frustration itself, coming from so many women should be evidence enough that things need to change.

Facts are touted and debates are had, but little is made of the fundamental emotional reality. In clinical "intellectual" discussions it is all too easy for the passionate, angry and frustrated to be goaded and the criticised for "harshness".

I will start a thread on it to stop banging on about here, but arguments for the slave trade were framed that when slaves rebelled they were often violent therefore they were barbaric and needed civilised supervision of the white man. I see a parallel here that the genuine emotional reaction is used as a stick to beat women with.

Actually we should call the frustration and harshness exactly what it is. An honest human reaction. We shouldn't be minimising it or trying to make it palatable it needs to be taken an proof that things are deeply deeply wrong.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/05/2014 12:48

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/05/2014 12:51

Oh, sorry! You PMed me about starting the slave trade thread and I forgot to reply. But I would like to see that.

I think that's a good point about honest human reactions.

I also think so much of this is about habits of communication. People who are accustomed to being deferred to do not realize that the absence of deference isn't aggression.

kim147 · 20/05/2014 13:13

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 20/05/2014 13:20

That's certainly true, some of the responses on here are aggressive and harsh. Again, it's that 'shutting up feminists' thing.

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