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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women in the LibDems

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FloraFox · 21/01/2014 20:52

I hadn't realised until all this Rennard news came out how poorly represented women are among senior LibDems, particularly MPs. It now seems quite obvious why that is. Beyond the boys' network type of organisation aspects, there seems to be something quite fundamentally wrong with liberalism as it affects women.

I generally believe that the values held most dear to the liberal heart are those that most affect powerful men rather than those that affect disadvantaged groups. Sometimes there appears to be an overlap with issues which are important to disadvantaged groups which masks the reality. For example, freedom of speech is a valuable tool for silenced, disadvantaged groups to be heard and advance their cause but as a "right" in and of itself and without context, it primarily benefits groups with privilege and/or is pretty irrelevant to groups without privilege. We see this in the way the porn industry co-opts the notion of free speech to justify continued perpetuation of harm against women.

In their response to the Rennard situation and the situation of women in the LibDems in general, the LibDems are showing how much their liberalism is rooted in the false neutrality of the male experience. It's not surprising this is causing such a problem in the party as it becomes clear that the liberal philosophy does not help women and the reality of this is unpalatable to many well-meaning non-misogynists.

Interested to hear what other feminists (particularly libfems or LibDemFems) think about this.

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NiceTabard · 21/01/2014 21:11

I lost my liking for the LibDems with two mooted policies:

Lower the age for people working in porn to 16

and

Anonimity for men accused of rape

Seemed their liberal values pointed in one direction, to me. As you have noticed as well!

And all of this is, as you also rightly say, coming out in the wash. I only hope some of his victims take a civil case against him. There seems to be no question that he did what he is accused of (if the LibDems own review is to be believed!). They have treated their female members appallingly over the years and it really takes the "sheen" off their nicey-friendly-a bit lefty image.

FloraFox · 21/01/2014 21:38

NT that first one passed me by Shock

Rennard seems determined to take the party down unless he gets his way, unlike the women who kept quiet for years to protect the party. Funny that, eh? I'm agog that they can't see how damaging this is for their position and the party. The idea that they are threatening to expose previous relationships and character "evidence" about the women shows an astonishing lack of understanding of the nature of complaints about sexual behaviour. Surely they can't be going down the "she's had affairs before therefore it's open season" route?? That seems to be the suggestion by one of the women. What with that and various LibDems chiming in with "it's no big deal" and "just move your knee", it's apparent they can't even see what the problem is.

I agree that the sheen is well and truly off their nice-friendly-a bit left image. Paddy Ashdown was talking about the principles of liberalism being respect for the individual and for women but the "and for women" bit sounds like it's tacked on and hollow, which it is.

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NiceTabard · 21/01/2014 22:35

Rennard is exhibiting privileged behaviour, par excellence!

I liked paddy ashdown and charles kennedy as well. Also Menzies. Am not sure though that the party can survive this. Would love it all to go to court! Just show up how deep the cover up was etc.

WhentheRed · 21/01/2014 22:53

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NiceTabard · 21/01/2014 23:50

The answer to that would be NO, Lord Steele, it can't.

Grin

AKA should women just STFU about whatever all the fucking time about whatever to keep the peace?

Um.

History says HELL YES!

I say, and I hope the LibDems and the public watching this say NO.

Women have been sexually, um, compromised?, in the workplace.

They complained and were told to STFU.

Had Wine. I say bury him.

NiceTabard · 21/01/2014 23:56

And if he decides to take the party down with him then he is a massive utter arsehole, totally self-serving, and in no way has the "interests of the party" in his heart or mind and never has.

Yes this is total utter privilige in action. Don't like what's said about you? Refuse to apologise and put it to bed? Well then. Destroy EVERYONE GrinGrinGrinGrin

Is Chris Reynard the next villain in Batman????

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 22/01/2014 08:56

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Beachcomber · 22/01/2014 14:21

I really hope this ends up in court. What a dick.

He was being let off easy by the party by being given the opportunity to make some mealy mouthed apology for women taking offence for no reason (as women do), he can't make head or tail of what on earth the girlies are complaining about, but hey, being such so magnanimous and all, he's willing to apologize anyway.

Does he take it? No.

Well good. I'm glad the crappy apology hasn't been forthcoming and I hope this thing blows.

Liberalism is individualism and Rennard is making that very very clear.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 22/01/2014 14:50

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