I've just remembered how much people hate women.

[hazchem]

A women was asked to move to the toilets to feed her baby in a well known Sydney restaurant today. The law in Australia protects women from this sort of treatment. The management has responded well although has not yet apologized publicly.

What gets me is the bullshit on facebook. It's two fold really all the cover up, seeing women's boob in public is wrong shit but i hate the would you want to eat your lunch in a toilet because what that does is diminish the fact that the women is being discriminated for doing something that is part of her biological function. Also it seams like women are the ones, in this case, being all don't feed in public it's gross.

It's got me in a right funk. stupid facebook. I wish the good bits of it could be somewhere without the rubbish.

I've put this hear cause I'm more pissed off about the sexist shit then breastfeeding I hope that's ok.

buffy

got wine

Considering MNing with my top off [lairy]

That'll show em.

Pfff

Pants are for amateurs.

It was going so well :)

I'd like to think that there is enough forgiveness to go around for all but I don't think you can forgive until the though process behind the individuals actions have changed or at least there is some reflective though.

You know what, if we just stopped all the page 3 and everything, there would be SO many less tits everywhere. Let's concentrate on that. Rather than on hungry babies having a feed.

It is strange how women's equality has brought us to a place where being equal means breast exposure is OK for page 3 but not for feeding. Yes I think Page three is a probably a more important fight, particularly that this year is the 30th anniversary of the Sex Discrimination Act. (I realized this morning that my mum wasn't protected under law when she fed me)

Breast exposure is fine as long as it's for men, obviously. Babies feeding i.e. a genuine need and right to stay alive, not so much.

The fact that is a valid scenario in today's society shows how much further we have to go. The Page 3 fight and this are all part of the same problem. Objectification of women.

In a recent lecture my professor said "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people" It's only when we stop the objectification that women really will become people in everyone eyes.

Going back to a point made upthread, how may times have women been ' allowed' to feed their babies in a cafe 'as long as they aren't just taking up chairs'?

Take a look around next time you're in a cafe, how many men are just taking up chairs, reading newspapers etc

who would be challenged?

I don't know about people hating women, but our experience when our two were being breast fed was very much that other women were the problem especially older women and not men.
My wife, who by nature is quite shy, turned into a tigress when our two girls came along and she started breast feeding.
She would feed them where ever we were at the time that they needed it, in public or otherwise.
Our experience was that men who came across her feeding in public generally didn't know where to look and got flustered, possibly from fear of being accused of perving on her.
Over three years of breast feeding in and out of public view it was only ever women that passed nasty comments. I would say not one of them was under 40.
The most comical one was a women who walked across the width of a nearly empty restaurant to a quiet, dimly lit corner where we were sat, just to confirm to herself that , yes, this woman was breast feeding. She then had a go about how disgusting it was.
All we could do was look at each other and laugh at the silly old trout.

I breast fed for ages and did so in public places (eg restaurants) when I needed to. I am fully supportive of women breastfeeding their DC.

Nevertheless, some mothers take the breastfeeding thing in public too far IMVHO. A mother at DD's school used to breastfeed her baby while chairing the Parents Association monthly rep meeting. Frankly, it was a distraction for everyone and did nothing for her credibility.

Why on earth would it afect her credibility?

Because she wasn't properly focused on the meeting.

Well from your first post it didn't sound like that. It sounded like other people had a problem with it and in fact bfing her baby in the meeting enabled her to attend (which surely increases her credibility).

So was she really not focused? Or is that what people assumed?

She had a severe case of baby brain!

Buffy You legend!

I mean that nobody is responsible for the social conditioning they receive = forgivable. But some people don't half fight to hold onto their ignorance that just because "that's the way things are" this means that's the way things should be = unforgivable.

^My DH is a feminist and has been struggling to articulate to his "the way things are" family why he feels differently. You are 100% correct, its the desperation of hanging onto what they already "know" and the fear of things "changing" that prevents them from having the courage to accept times are changing and hopefully in a positive way.

Bonsoir -

I really don't think that most people hate women...I am pretty sure MOST (99.99999%) people see women as HUMAN! I hate all this outrageous talk about women being hated and men being sick, embittered, atrocious animals.....It makes me unconmfortable, and does not tie in, in any way, to ANY woman or man I know!

And Bonsoir, do give over!!! I for one will feed my baby when and where I like, and if people don't like it, they can go f& themselves! By the way, I love your little justification at the start....like people should go easy on you coz you are a paid up breastfeeding mother....until you start insulting us!

Nice one....hypocrite!

LittleSweetheart Oh no I don't think most people. I used people in my title because I wanted a word that included all genders. It's precisely because the people I know are kind, thoughtful, helpful and wonderful people who care for others and treat them with humanity and dignity that I was shocked by how some people (both men and women) hate women. Oh and I don't think men are sick or atrocious and I haven't said that.