Just been introduced to the twelve tribes!

[NothingMoreScaryThanAHairy]

Someone linked to a Boycott of their stall in the local marketplace on their basis on their views on corporal punishment and children, but reading a little further their views generally are just horrific. local paper

I'd never heard of them before today and I am still in shock that we look out of our own borders at other nationalities and nations and their treatment and views on women and children, and all the while this is under our (my) nose.

I've just been on the website:

"Desiring to control her own sexuality, she has assumed the right to say no to her husband’s physical needs and has emasculated him in the process."

Ugh. And apparently battered wives not leaving their husbands is quite good too.

I still can't quite believe that this her here in the UK (niave maybe?) but I just assumed that barking mad ultra religious christian sects were largely in the bible belts of America but it appears not!

Reading this "In the Twelve Tribes women should know their place. As one wrote on the website: “Our “characteristic social behavior” is that we help the men, because woman was originally created to be the helper of man.”

However, there is: “practically nothing that we “can’t do.” We choose not to do certain things, however, whether it is hard physical exertion that is not good for our childbearing years, or competing with men in the areas that are best left to them.”

Feels like I've regressed several hundred (maybe more years- oh and the bit where women are blamed for homosexuality- nice!

I suppose I'll get flamed for victim blaming, but honestly women like this need blaming. What a pack of wuzzy wimps they are. As for the men, if they would be emasculated just by women acting as if they were fully fledged human beings then they must be wuzzy wimps as well.

Cults like this need laughing out of town. Pathetic.

Grimble women like this may have been brought up in this type of community or way of thinking, and not realise that they are brainwashed.

My DF and DSM are fundamentalist Xians and DSM has very rigid ideas of what is 'womanly'. Funnily enough, we don't really get on...

I can't imagine why sunshine

For women brought up to 'defer to your man' (and there are many who have been brought up like this explicitly or implicitly), if the husband decided to join then many would 'toe the party line' for fear of the unknown / social stigma from family threat of access to children etc etc. Interestingly on the local site for the twelve tribes in devon they discuss controversies and what happened (very much from their prespective) when a women did try to leave. If you read between the lines it looks like a horrific time for her.

Sunshine: I do understand the power of brainwashing. But they do seem to be interacting in the 21st century and exposed to the wider world: and if brainwashing was so all encompassing for everyone exposed to it through history you and I would not be writing on MN but be the chattels of some bloke somewhere, without a vote, without a job and doing as we are told.

Fear will be a factor too. You don't think someone espousing rape in marriage is beyond doing it themselves.

It took women a very long time to break free from the chattels of their husbands. Most people stick with what they know. That's why conscious raising is so important.

I have encountered the Twelve Tribes before (but in the US). They are sort of faux 1st century style Messianic Jews who aren't Jews they are basically a cult.

They used to run a coffee shop in my town and try to recruit by striking up conversations with people about their studies. It was quite fun to go in and say that you were writing a doctorate on the sociology of cults and watch them scuttle away.