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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

White working-class boys at the bottom of the class

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aceofflower · 15/09/2013 01:31

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236472/White-working-class-boys-the-class-aged-just-five.html

Is this the fault of the evil feminists? Or is it more likely because girls are now given equal rights their intelligence is coming out and exposing boys as how stupid they really are?

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 16/09/2013 13:31

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JakeBullet · 16/09/2013 13:35

Hoping and praying that the OP does not have any sons...if she does then I pity them. Sad

Lottapianos · 16/09/2013 13:37

'Early Years education favours the way boys learn, by being more fluid, learning by doing etc etc, so surely, if EY is so very important, then boys should be doing better?'

The way boys learn? Not all boys are the same. Not all girls are the same. It's downright dangerous to assume that children (or adults for that matter) will behave and learn in a particular way just because of their biological sex.

Abra1d · 16/09/2013 13:44

I suspect some (not all) of the problem with the achievement of white working class boys lies with white working class men.

I know of families round here where the fathers never ever attend an event at the boys' primary or secondary schools. No parents' evenings. No sports days. They do not read to their boys. They do not listen to them read. They regard school and the family's relationship to it as their wives'/partners' 'work'. They think it's acceptable to take their sons out of school to spend a day on the X-box. We are friends with a family where the boys' success in getting good apprenticeships in sought-after companies is entirely down to the mother's efforts over 14 years and despite the lack of interest from the father.

Perhaps, for the reasons Math gives in relation to Northern Ireland (thanks for that--very interesting), this will change as fathers realise that jobs in apprenticeships or in the local car works are now very rare and precious things and more educational qualifications are essential.

Chotter · 16/09/2013 15:20

I wonder how significant this 'failure' is. If we take the education system as a whole, we could divide the participants up in many ways - by gender, social class, geography, ethnicity, religious beliefs etc etc. Whichever way you slice this cake, it is highly likely that a group will appear at the bottom of the table each time. Question is, how do we know if it is significant? How far away are the bottom group from the mean or median? I am sure there are some statisticians here who might be able to clarify this. I don't know.

kim147 · 16/09/2013 19:46

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Chotter · 16/09/2013 21:00

What do you see as the major reasons kim?

mathanxiety · 17/09/2013 07:17

The UK has the largest gap between high and low achievers in Europe. It also has the highest level of correlation between social class and achievement or non-achievement.

zippey · 18/09/2013 01:59

I think the OP's post is crass and makes her sound like a man hating feminist cliché.

Is this the fault of the evil feminists? Or is it more likely because girls are now given equal rights their intelligence is coming out and exposing boys as how stupid they really are?

It doesn't do anyone any good to hate men, or classify them as stupid. A lot of feminists are married to men or have children who will become men. And just because you do not do well in school does not mean you are stupid.

mathanxiety · 18/09/2013 04:02

I agree

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