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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

John Inverdale, for example ...

154 replies

Wuldric · 07/07/2013 09:45

Women get judged by how they look rather than by how they perform. This comment by John Inverdale has me seething. How is it even remotely acceptable in this day and age?

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Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:02

Ah, if you mean twat then I apologise but I never knew it was a reference to private parts, but in modern usage it refers to a fool and that is the context I used it.

Not here to offend, just adding a POV.

CaptChaos · 08/07/2013 15:02

To be fair, no one who plays a physically demanding game on tennis in that heat and under that amount of pressure is going to be looking their best or indeed, smelling their best, I'm sure. I know that when I was playing my sport (briefly) at international level, there would have been few people who's first though was 'Cor! Get a load of that one with the gum-shield, she must be an amazing sportsperson!'

That said, the only thing she should have been judged on is how well she played, and she played a blinder. If it made a difference (and it really doesn't) she has a really pleasant face and an athletic body when she's not streaming sweat, she's also bright as a button.

Men and women in positions of relative influence should be policing their stupidity even more carefully, especially if I am (albeit in a tiny capacity) paying their wages.

I do apologise for having a POV though, as I am admittedly, not the best looking person in the world, am rather hefty and am therefore less than obviously attractive. Hmm

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 08/07/2013 15:03

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GoshlyoHeavens · 08/07/2013 15:05

Willo62 you seem to be doing that thing where you argue in a pretendly articulate way whilst managing to miss the point.

Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:06

Thanks Buffy, apology accepted ;)

Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:09

Goshly. All I wanted was some common sense, but as Voltaire observed, common sense is not so common.

NoComet · 08/07/2013 15:12

I'm afraid it was inevitable that one of the men on Radio 5 live was going to put their foot in it.

The whole chatty, blokes in the pub, casual style of the station has been getting more and more irritating year by year.

I've already emailed to complain that they don't commentate on matches just waffle.

Yes, we all choose which players we support on a mixture of nationally, skill, looks and how they interview, since we don't actually know them.

But it is not the place of a national radio station to have those sort of conversations.

ArbitraryUsername · 08/07/2013 15:15

Do you know, it's always a good idea to avoid using words when you don't know what they mean...

GoshlyoHeavens · 08/07/2013 15:20

Oh pee off. Cunt.

LadyClariceCannockMonty · 08/07/2013 15:30

Go Marion!

But I couldn't agree more: WHY is this shit still allowed to go on??!?!? I'm writing the BBC a stiff email today to which they will send their usual weaseley mealy-mouthed non-acknowledgement and non-apology.

Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:31

Oh dear, I thought these sites were moderated.

Goshly you do yourself no service by using such crude words?

CaptChaos · 08/07/2013 15:34

Yup, moderated.

They save us from hairy handed goat eaters.

We can call people cunts whenever we please.

It's fab being a grown up

Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:35

Then I'm shocked,not a very nice word is it?

Willo62 · 08/07/2013 15:37

I feel very naive, but what is a hairy handed goat eater?

LurcioLovesFrankie · 08/07/2013 15:41

For someone who quotes Voltaire, you're a bit slow on the uptake, aren't you? Try googling "Billy Goats Gruff."

YummyYummyYum · 08/07/2013 15:42

He is an idiot. DH says he has always known Inverdale is an idiot.

scallopsrgreat · 08/07/2013 15:43

So we've had the common sense card (whilst failing to show us where their common sense is), the maturity card (even though we weren't the ones stomping off in a huff because people weren't agreeing with them), the profanity card (whilst using the word twat and phrase slagging off). What's next? The intelligence card perhaps? Or 'haven't you got anything else to be worried about' card? It's always the same script.

"Then I'm shocked,not a very nice word is it?" I am not sure you are the best judge of what is a 'nice word' is, given you didn't even know what twat meant.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 08/07/2013 15:43

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GoshlyoHeavens · 08/07/2013 15:47

It wasn't meant to be nice and I'll do myself a disservice by saying the words I choose to say, if I want to.

CaptChaos · 08/07/2013 15:53

Every day is a school day.

Twat is a 'naice' word, cunt isn't. A hierarchy of profanity then.

Sexism uttered by public figures is fine, calling them out on it isn't.

That we lack common sense, maturity and good looks.

Any other lessons? I'm all ears.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 08/07/2013 15:56

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scallopsrgreat · 08/07/2013 16:00

Ahh yes I'd fogotten the good looking card

BartyFottom · 08/07/2013 16:42

but she isn't a looker as he quite rightly points out

You are missing the point, Willo64. It is totally irrelevant whether she is 'a looker or not'. Pointing it out, on air, is very rude and hurtful. It's also incredibly sexist, because he wouldn't dream of saying the same thing about a male tennis player. As well as being rude, hurtful and sexist, it is also completely and utterly unnecessary.

But the ignorant arse doesn't seem to even see that.

BartyFottom · 08/07/2013 16:44

Sorry, that should be Willo62, not 64!

slug · 08/07/2013 17:03

If I didn't know better, I would think that willo has discovered this and is working their way through it.