Really proud of my 17 year old daughter

[NicholasTeakozy]

She posted a staus on Facebook which read:-

Seen a few status' tonight that have kind of annoyed me. I don't consider myself a feminist, but with issues like this I am. Why are women's bodies over-sexualised all the time? Why can men walk around with their tops off showing off their bodies but it isn't socially acceptable for a woman to do so? Why are women deemed "disgusting" or "sluts" if they do exactly what a man does? Why is there such a taboo on our bodies but men can prance about however the fuck they wish? Nah, fuck that. Ladies, do what you like with your body (within reason). Fuck all you patriarchal cunts.


Cue two of her male friends who argued that women who dress in skimpy clothing are more likely to be harassed and sexually assaulted to which she replied it's the rapists' fault, not the women. Over the course of an hour she tore all their arguments apart and made them look stupid. She really brought a smile to my face and made me swell with pride to see such passion and anger in one so young.

[Sparklyboots]

I'd buy that t-shirt.

Ramios, aha ha ha ha. We fems are such prudish fuckers, clearly. Check out the cunts on this thread! Course you'll have to ignore those fems demanding to have their boobs out in public.

OP I'd be so proud. I remember how terrifying it was to self identify as feminist at that age, and how I thought feminism equalled lesbian man-hating (cos that's what everyone at school thought), and thinking I was unlikely to score with such a label even if I didn't think it was really about lesbianism/ man hating. And I was quite interested in scoring, obvs, cos how else could you get sexual gratification (yip, totally in thrall to the PIV thing too)?

Course now I quite like the way it filters idiots, calling yourself a fem. And don't really remember why I thought it would mean social death to be a lesbian. & I know about actual sex, rather than the in-service-to-patriarchal-constructs kind. But those things are important at 17, no?

WRT the language, think OP' s daughter is responding to form in a way that further demonstrates her social awareness. She'd be an idiot to write an essay like that, or txt her parents in that way. But addressing herself to her target audience using the vernacular in which they commonly converse is smart.

[NicholasTeakozy]

ramios Mon 25-Mar-13 21:05:07

"women who dress in skimpy clothing are more likely to be harassed and sexually assaulted hmm to which she replied it's the rapists' fault"

Regardless who is at fault you can't deny women who dress in skimpy clothes are more likely to be raped than women who cover up.

I see you quote what her friends said and agree with it. Perpetuating rape myths will get you nowhere, so I call bullshit.

Rape is the fault of the rapist, not the victim. When this is the accepted view feminism will have won a massive battle, and will be well on the way to winning the equality war.

[EggyFucker]

Well done to your dd, NT

it's a hard road she is stepping onto though

she will need a skin thicker than a rhino, and be ready for all those cunts to try and take her down

even on a so-called genteel middle class parenting site like MN, I am being picked at and goaded for standing up for women in a "nasty feminist manner" on 2 separate threads just this evening

not too many people stepping up to add their voice to mine either (apart from the few usual rather wonderful suspects, who equally get flak too)

all the best to her x

[runningforthebusinheels]

Feminism and prudish tend to go hand in hand.

Nonsensical and wrong.

Regardless who is at fault you can't deny women who dress in skimpy clothes are more likely to be raped than women who cover up.

Ignorant and wrong

What a treat it is to have ramios with us tonight

All this fainting over a couple of swear words is making me lol too.

[TerraNotSoFirma]

I love your DD OP and I'd buy the FAYPC tshirt, teamed with a mumsnet scarf obviously.

[sweetiepie1979]

Sounds like a real lady

[TerraNotSoFirma]

17 yo in swearing with/at her peers shocker.
Really?

[Sparklyboots]

That's hilarious, sweetiepie1979, did you know that Professor of English at Warwick Uni (one of the top in the country/ world) has described 'lady' as 'the most vulgar word in the English language'? Cos if you were trying to avoid the use of offensive language, you just fucked up.

[sweetiepie1979]

Gosh, Really ? that's Interesting, do you know his name and the article?As a teacher of English at an all girls school I'd be intrigued to read that. The best in the country/world? When I studied feminisim in literature as part of my masters we were still using the British dictionary definition of the word Lady (Chiefly British )A general feminine title of nobility and other rank. We were not using the C word. We felt it was an extremely offensive disparaging term for women it is often now used as an insult to men degrading a woman further. I'm not sure I have seriously fucked up sparklyboots but you seem to know.

[CandlestickOlder]

Some people swear when they feel passionate and angry and use it for emphasis. I know I do.

Each to their own.

Your daughter sounds like she has a good foundation for a decent argument there OP

I think I'd rather have a sweary opinionated woman for a daughter than a polite lady who doesn't say anything to anyone (who perhaps is in fear of being judged for her choice of vocabulary rather than encouraged to form opinions using whatever language she sees fit)

[CandlestickOlder]

Hate the word lady.

Why does that person deem it offensive?

I find it patronising. But I also dislike Miss and Mrs. One of them annoying feminists me

[TeiTetua]

I agree with SP1979 that "cunt" is a very nasty word, though some women think there's hope for it. I grumbled at young Ms Teakozy for using it, but we have to accept that she's like most girls--in spite of the best efforts by her parents, she doesn't "identify [herself] as feminist". If one day she does, then she might choose different words.

If we use the worst words every day (every hour? every minute?) what'll we be left with when things get really dire?

[Twentytotwo]

'do you know his name'

[sweetiepie1979]

Yes candlestick, your right. It would be awful to have "
"a polite lady who doesn't say anything to anyone (who perhaps is in fear of being judged for her choice of vocabulary rather than encouraged to form opinions using whatever language she sees fit) "
for a daughter as you finely put.
Luckily we live in a society where young men and women receive an education that teaches them to be articulate, allows then to have a voice .perhaps your mixing this society up with one of Jane eyres.

[DontForgetTheLightAlesLawrence]

Your (sic) an English teacher?

Hahahahaha!

[Lessthanaballpark]

Oh FGS. Can we just let the poor girl off. Yeah she was a bit sweary but she's only 17 and kudos to her for asking those questions so young.

I'm glad someone else hates the word Lady. It's one of those twisty words the big P is so good at. Ostensibly it's a compliment but has a fair bit of judgement inherent in it. I mean it replaced Gentlewoman cos that word morphed to mean prostitute and what's wrong with the word woman when it's at home. It's one of those pedestal words.

A bit like when Jade and her mum bullied Shilpa Shetty by calling her a Princess.

[UptoapointLordCopper]

Anyone who calls me "lady" had better watch it. >

[sweetiepie1979]

Yes less than a ball park your right she's only 17. Sorry.

[TheNebulousBoojum]

I think that compared to the number of 17 year old girls that don't even recognise sexism, let alone challenge it, your girl is a shining star OP.
Yes, sometimes my DD swears when dealing with sexist or homophobic responses on fb. However one of the signs of maturity is to alter one's behaviour and language to the situation, which she also does.
Rather like MNetters who swear on threads and come up with surprisingly earthy comments, and yet somehow manage to cope with having jobs and raising children without continuous foul language.
So, your next task is to wonder why she doesn't see herself as a feminist.

[NormaSpoonOeufEggcher]

Well done to your DD from me Nick

[Sparklyboots]

do you know his name yes, Sweetiepie1979 but it was a woman (dare I suggest another fuck up? Am sort of laughing, except that you're meant to be an educator). Germaine Greer in The Whole Woman. As a teacher in an all girls school, it's a bit of a shame you haven't taken any interest in it heretofore. And your dictionary definition says all you need to know about 'Lady,' doesn't it? Socially constructed female, defined by her class and gender relationships. Tres vulgar to suggest that it might be desirable to emmulate one, on a fem thread.

[Sparklyboots]

Oh, PS, not country, but highest rated Unis in the world. For info.

[sweetiepie1979]

Sparklyboots stop being so silly

[NicholasTeakozy]

Nebulous, I think that, like Sparkly at 17, she doesn't want her male friends to know she's a feminist. I shall have to have a word or two with her and her boyfriend (not one of the males she argued with) to get her to see that feminists are not lesbians or man haters but ordinary women.

She's still only 17, she's not yet fully grown mentally and physically. She will, in time, come to see that she is indeed a feminist, and hopefully a very vocal and active one at that. She will, of course, have my full backing whatever happens.

[Hullygully]

how, just how, has this been turned into a thread about swearing...????

dear fucking lord