Really proud of my 17 year old daughter

[NicholasTeakozy]

She posted a staus on Facebook which read:-

Seen a few status' tonight that have kind of annoyed me. I don't consider myself a feminist, but with issues like this I am. Why are women's bodies over-sexualised all the time? Why can men walk around with their tops off showing off their bodies but it isn't socially acceptable for a woman to do so? Why are women deemed "disgusting" or "sluts" if they do exactly what a man does? Why is there such a taboo on our bodies but men can prance about however the fuck they wish? Nah, fuck that. Ladies, do what you like with your body (within reason). Fuck all you patriarchal cunts.


Cue two of her male friends who argued that women who dress in skimpy clothing are more likely to be harassed and sexually assaulted to which she replied it's the rapists' fault, not the women. Over the course of an hour she tore all their arguments apart and made them look stupid. She really brought a smile to my face and made me swell with pride to see such passion and anger in one so young.

[grumpyinthemorning]

I say well done to her, it's nice to see young women being so confident. I'm 23, and it's shocking how many women my age and younger don't challenge rape myths. I hope she identifies as a feminist when she's older, and continues to hold such strong opinions.

[NicholasTeakozy]

"Talking to with bricks". I like that, it's a good analogy. I've told her she's done the right thing, but I haven't told her about this thread as I like this nn and it was her that worked out my original one causing me to change to this one.

[wol1968]

(hope I don't kill this thread the way I killed the last three I contributed to....)

[wol1968]

I see no problem with the swear words. This young woman is simply pitching her POV at lads her age who probably need talking to with bricks (to borrow a phrase from my late Polish grandfather). Well done to her for speaking out.

[MrsClown1]

OP - yes you should be proud. I dont even know her but I am proud to think that there are at least a few young women who have the guts to speak out

[Pan]

And you'd be collecting some winnings there then, NT, my pecs are my own to reveal as I wish.
though it still avoids the 'I can only see life through male entitlement' thing. But lets face it the 'can men really be feminists' issue has been done to a squealing death round these parts over the years, so it's prob best left in peace.

[NicholasTeakozy]

Sorry Doctrine, my typing speed is far too slow for my brain.

Pan, I'm lucky that when I go outside I'm not subjected to catcalls, whistles and requests to get my tits out. I'm willing to wager the same goes for you too. My daughters do. They both rise to it, they were brought up to be bolshy and to challenge everything. Nobody argues with DD1, she's vicious. I'm glad to see DD2 is going the same way.

I think Rosa that in their case they're not bothered about peer pressure, their friends are largely supportive and those that aren't get sidelined or argued into a corner.

[SatsukiKusukabe]

oh don't offer that site up. They had a picture of a trantula with weird crab like claws coming out if it recently. apparently it was some sire of mind control fungus that makes the spider go somewhere nice for the fungus then dies. l swear I will never sleep again.

[NicholasTeakozy]

I offer up Elise Andrew as a shining example of why swearing doesn't really matter. She has a Facebook group called I Fucking Love Science which has about 4 million followers. She is a far better role model than many of those promoted by the mainstream media.

[rosabud]

I think it's great that a) your daughter has this understanding and opinion already and b) is prepared to voice it. Rape myths, along with a lot of other Daily Mail "comon sense" opinions (for example on immigration or disabled rights) held by the majority of people are so ingrained in our society that it is very difficult for a lot of people to unpick them. Also, although I talk to my similarly aged daughter about these issues and she does understand, the thought of debating about it would be difficult for her because she does not want to stand out. Peer pressure is hugely underestimated for this age-group so your daughter is doing very well to voice her opinions so strongly. (Also, minor point, swearing is, of course, very cool at that age and part of the peer pressure - would rather my daughter, like yours, resisted the rape myths peer pressure than the swearing one! !)

[Pan]

Sat - no, of course, one doesn't always see beyond 'one's bounds' - who does? It's a v difficult request/expectation to be able do so. And of course from one's own life's experience it's invited to take the advantage for granted.

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

I did wonder if "not womening on" was a new thing, NT

[SatsukiKusukabe]

I benefit from white privilege, I see how sometimes but occasionally read something and realize I didn't even know about... I took it for granted.

[SatsukiKusukabe]

you can see beyond your male privilege, always? How do you know?

[Pan]

Big up your dd obv, NT, but are you sure you can't see life from any perspective other than that of male privilege? It's quite something to ponder.
It does sort of imply that no man can be a feminist, and suggests a lack in a 'leap in imagination'. i.e 'I can't see beyond my own bounds' which surely challenges you?

[FucktidiaBollockberry]

I changed it in honour of your DD NT.

[NicholasTeakozy]

Balls. I meant not lecture women. As opposed to not women, which makes no sense. Soz. :o

[NicholasTeakozy]

namechangeguy Wed 27-Mar-13 20:30:19

The reason I did put blanks instead of the full words is because I am aware that as a male my status is slightly different here. I tend to avoid swearing on MN because I don't want to be accused of being an angry, aggressive, sweary male in what is primarily a female space.

Really? I've never avoided swearing on MN. I don't think I've ever been treated differently to any other poster, despite being openly male and quite often sweary. You see, unlike some men who post in this section I want to learn about feminism, not women on what my view of what it should be.

To those of you who only got the "I don't consider myself a feminist" bit of my OP, please remember she is 17. Don't worry, there is plenty of time for me to convince her she is. And judging by the way she won her argument it ain't gonna take much. She wants equality, which is only a nudge away from feminism, so it should be fairly easy, as long as she can see that feminists come from all walks of life, and that the only reason I'm not a feminist is because, as a man, I cannot see life from any perspective other than that of male privilege.

Epic name change Fastidia, love it! :o

[Pan]

I'm with both views...swearing a lot does NOT equal 'passion', and vice versa. It can indicate lots of other things. And of course fb gives evidence that remains around on t'internet for ever.

For a particular dd, it's difficult. If my dd, who is a couple of years younger than NT's, I'd be a bit at her mode of expression.

But it's also great to see youngies taking firm stances on what's important, and letting everyone who she knows be left in no equivocal understanding.

[namechangeguy]

The reason I did put blanks instead of the full words is because I am aware that as a male my status is slightly different here. I tend to avoid swearing on MN because I don't want to be accused of being an angry, aggressive, sweary male in what is primarily a female space.

I have a daughter just about the same age as NT's. That is why I took an interest in his OP. I do worry about the kind of stuff my daughter might put out there on t'internet, and what might come back to haunt her. From Wilson's post, this stuff can come back and bite you on the bum in future.

[FucktidiaBollockberry]

You were the first one OMC

What a fucking derail.

[givemeaclue]

How disappointing that she doesn't consider herself a feminist..why not?

[FastidiaBlueberry]

Fuck fuck fuckity bollocks, arse toss, biscuit, wank fuck, dick, sputum

I cannot believe the sheer utter wankiness of some people.

Oh, hold on, yes I can.

For fucks, fuckity fucking fucker's sake.

Fuck off.

Your dd sounds ace NT.