So in the wake of a massive public spotlight on rape, the priority apparently is to protect the reputations of the tiny % of men falsely accused of rape

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FFS FFS FFS

Is it very cynical of me to think that this new demand to enable anonymity for men accused of rape (most of whom are guilty, but get off anyway) is a psychological need to re-establish what is most important to these woman-haters?

Stop talking about the mountain of rape victims who never get justice and FGS start talking about the anthill of men who get falsely accused.

Enough of Steubenville, Delhi, Frances Andrade, Jimmy Savile's victims, the 1 in 4 women who are raped or sexually assaulted.

Let's get back to talking about the really important issues - the miniscule number of men who will be falsely accused of rape or who will be the victim of mistaken identity. Fools, don't you know they're more important than all those rape vicitms? That that's a much bigger issue? So what 25% of women are subjected to rape or sexual assault? So what if 85-90% of rape victims don't report? So what that of those who do, only 6% get a guilty verdict even though only between 2-6% are lying or mistaken? Let's get some perspective on this - men matter more than women, stop imagining they don't.

Fuming but off to bed.

"Where do you get the idea that women reporting rape ect are not believed ??"

Jesus, it must be great on your planet.

Patriarchy doesn't exist there does it?

85-90% of women who don't report, largely because they know they won't be believed, just doesn't exist. Along with the 80%+ of cases which are reported which never make it to court because the CPS knows the rape victims won't be believed.

It's just a figment of our imagination.

Also, it is not as bad being falsely accused of rape as it is to be raped.

It may be for some men as some women recover quicker from rape if they get more support and some men suffer more badly than others if they don't get support.

But to say in that blanket way that it's just as bad, shows that you consider men's lives more valuable than that of women.

Let's have a study of the men falsely or mistakenly accused of rape 30 years down the line shall we? How many of them are still having flashbacks, how many of them have had their sex lives or intimate relationships severely affected, how many of them developed eating disorders, self-harming, other mental health problems or have had nervous breakdowns every few years?

maisere, dedicated rape units like Operation Sapphire perhaps? Sometimes even those officers who are tasked with investigating rape are often prejudiced or incompetent, sadly. Sapphire isn't alone. Have a look at Scotland. Look at the Worboys case, where a serial rapist was left free to carry on raping women for years because the police dismissed complaints and failed to investigate properly.

A victim of any crime is a witness. The court case is Regina v. the defendant - the victim does not have equal status with the accused, so the argument for anonymity is bizarre. Being wrongly accused of murder must be even more damaging than being wrongly accused of rape, but no-one argues for anonymity for alleged murderers, do they?

Also no-one seems to argue for anonymity for those accused of child-rape.

Surely that's far more damaging to be wrongly accused of?

quite!

You know what would be good? If people read something on the subject before forming an opinion. You know - research, facts n shit. Actual information. I feel it would help.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7265307.stm

A good BBC article on the topic.

Your BBC link talks about 3-9% false accusation rate, Zippy LJ, which comes from Home Office statistics.

3-9%. Similar false accusation rate for all crimes. Do you believe in anonymity for all defendants?

But LJ - do you just ignore the 91-97% of women who weren't lying? Aren't they important?

Rape has a legal definition. This is the UK's definition.

www.rapecrisis.org.uk/Definitionofrape2.php

Are you in the US? The discussion thread on which you have posted relates to UK law re anonymity.

I would happily join a campaign against vigilante attacks on those accused of any crime.

"An unmarried 16-year-old female had sex with her boyfriend and later became
concerned that she might be pregnant. She said she had been raped by an unknown
assailant in the hopes that the hospital would give her something to abort the
possible pregnancy. "

I'm presuming that this is an American example? If so, it says a lot more about American restrictions of abortion than it does false rape accusations. In the UK she could have accessed the healthcare she needed without having to lie.

That's what you meant. That's not what I said.

If vigilante attacks don't happen then surely that's the outcome you want. Presumably you'd prefer people accused of murder or fraud or whatever not to be subject to vigilante attacks?