I'm not sure how I feel about this

[Sunnywithachanceofshowers]

Our university library has recently installed a gender-neutral toilet, following requests from transgender people. I don't have a problem with that.

However, it replaces the ladies' toilet, so the toilets on one floor are 'mens' and 'women / genderless'. It feels as this reinforces that men are the default gender, and anything else is aberrant.

What do you think?

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

Maybe some men would protest the urinals/cubicle labelling as then people outside would know if they were going for a poo.

(I have had the misfortune to discuss this topic with male colleagues before)

[LRDtheFeministDude]

I was just saying to DH I think students would love it. There would rapidly be many non-official labels: 'this one is good for a long, slow shite' 'this loo is reserved for Ellie and Sam', etc. etc.

I worry the students I am know just aren't of the class some other posters know ...

[CrunchyFrog]

The public toilets here are individual rather than a room of bogs, there's a disabled loo (which you could nearly swing quite a small cat in, if it didn't mind hitting the walls), one urinal, one proper loo with pic of man and woman on it. And nasty, nasty metal toilets and a needle disposal unit.

I thought this was a naice area.

[Shelby2010]

LRD, sorry if you took my comment the wrong way before.... I wasn't disagreeing with you, probably just missed out a or whatever the [Tongue-in-cheek] emoticon is.

My only problem with unisex toilets is that when I've gone in the men's out of desperation they usually seem to be in a much worse state. Obviously I don't get pissed desperate that often so its not like I've done a thorough survey, but they can be a bit Yuk.

And please can we just take it as read that I am a)sexist and/or b) facilitating men's subconcious belief that a woman will clean up after them, by not wanting to paddle through their badly aimed pee making this comment.

[LRDtheFeministDude]

Ah, sorry if you didn't get that across before ... gotcha now.

I guess if making loos unisex prompts some blokes to stop (literally) pissing things up for everyone else, that's good! I do always pity DH when he describes what they're like, ewww.

[Sunnywithachanceofshowers]

LRD I heard about the library loos from a fellow student and I haven't had a chance to check. I'm in tomorrow and will check and will come back to the thread.

TheSmallClanger it's a London university, not Manchester.

I feel a bit daft for having posted without having checked and am really interested in the debate.

[LRDtheFeministDude]

Thanks ... I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just wondering what the feck was going on because it does sound really off, if it's true.

I think it'd make a big difference if the sign said 'gender neutral' rather than 'genderless', and if they're preparing to put it on both men's/women's loos, but I can totally believe people have made an arse-backwards decision, as they often do.

[NotGoodNotBad]

To the women saying, why not just make all toilets unisex? Er, because the men's always stink!

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

But don't the men's stink because of the urinals?

[DoingItOntheRoofTopWithSanta]

doesn't male wee have a vile "special" scent as well? That's why it keeps away foxes and cats?

[GalaxyDisaster]

I used to be a cleaner. As someone who has got far more up close and personal with gents toilets than I would wish, I can agree that IMO it is the bloody urinals. My area had one gents with just two cubicles and another floor had urinals and cubicles. The one with just the cubicles was far less stinky, and they had similar levels of traffic. My (male) colleague always reckoned men peed upwards more at a urinal and therefore there was more splash. With a toilet they were more conscious of aiming at a small, low level toilet.

[KRITIQ]

Soz to hear you didn't get the job kim and good luck with the operation. May be a bit late in the day, but did you talk about practical arrangements on the ward with your surgeon or other staff who booked you in?

[SomeTiggyPudding]

The OP never did come back to the thread.

Update please?

[Sunnywithachanceofjinglebells]

Sorry Tiggy and everyone else, I got bogged down in essays and forgot all about it.

I've since found out it's the SU loos. I'm back on 7th January so will go and have a look.

[SomeTiggyPudding]

I need reports on toilet name, colour scheme and odour. And whether it's now a choice between Men and Unisex loos in the building.

Good luck with your boggy essays.

[Sunnywithshowers]

I have finally visited the SU loos. The downstairs loos are labelled 'Gender neutral' and 'Male'. There are 'Female' loos elsewhere in the building.

The 'Gender Neutral' loos look exactly like 'Female' loos: there's a machine for buying durex / sanitary protection and bins for the aforementioned sanitary protection in each cubicle. I suspect the only thing that has changed is the label.

So I'm still slightly hmm about it, but am happy that 'Female' loos are available and they're not all 'Gender Neutral' and 'Male'.