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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Would anyone like to join in an effort to convince retailers to stop categorizing toys by gender?

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OneHandWavingFree · 19/11/2012 00:06

Following on from this thread and similar ones, a few of us are interested in discussing ways to send a message to retailers that it is not acceptable to designate 'boys' and 'girls' toy aisles which reinforce the message that science and adventure are "boys stuff", while girls should be primarily occupied with looking 'sexy' or practicing for domestic drudgery.

The first steps might be to draft a letter and identify a few retailers to target for an email campaign. Other ideas of how to get the message across are very welcome too, though.

Would anyone like to join in?

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NewRowSees · 19/11/2012 18:48

I'd definitely support this! My son isn't quite 2 yet, but it's very clear to see that he gravitates towards all things pink! And his favourite toy is a tea set! He also loves his choo-choos and cars, but I'd hate him to ever be made to feel bad for liking 'girly' toys!

PeggyCarter · 19/11/2012 18:49

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StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2012 18:56

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HalloweenNameChange · 19/11/2012 19:01

Takes my apology back.

Calls stumpy a fuckwit.

Awaits deletion.

HalloweenNameChange · 19/11/2012 19:04

It's already happened to some of their nursery rhymes because of prejudice hasn't it?

And seriously, this old chestnut again? It's not true. We all knwo that's not true

whiiiiiiine, but you can't even say blaaaaack board anymore

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2012 19:16

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HalloweenNameChange · 19/11/2012 19:21

I fucking actually heart that SGM. Hope the little girl really wrote that without too much parental interference.

OneHandWavingFree · 19/11/2012 19:26

I love that link, SGM! And what a great mom too, writing her own letter when the kid's one got such a sorry excuse for a response. :)

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LadyKinbote · 19/11/2012 19:30

I'm in! OneHand - your posts sum up the issue perfectly.

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/11/2012 19:32

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GurlwiththeFrothyCurl · 19/11/2012 19:35

My DSs are now in their twenties and I honestly can't remember toys being so gendered in those days. I am almost certain that the main toy shops didn't have sections for boys or girls, but grouped things by genre. Also, toys tended to be in bright colours, rather than pink, so that you could easily swap them between girls and boys.

When I was little, I remember having miniature versions of a cooker and a washing machine, but they were made out of white painted metal so they looked like mini real appliances. Mind you, I also had a sheriffs hat, knights outfit as well as fairy wings! I wanted to be some kind of hero, waving my plastic sword.

LastMangoInParis · 19/11/2012 19:40

Haven't read whole thread yet (intend to, though, it looks v interesting), but YY, most definitely I would/will support this campaign, 'gendering' of children's toys makes my heart sink.

ashesgirl · 19/11/2012 19:49

Not read the whole thread but marking my place.

I wonder if the Everyday Sexism project would be interested in getting involved?

They are on Twitter and Facebook so already have a following.

MardyBra · 19/11/2012 19:53

Too busy to read now but marking place to come back later. Sounds a good idea.

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HalloweenNameChange · 19/11/2012 20:20

I am surprised it took so long for toy manufactures to ralise that they could sell you the same old tat twice over by just telling you that you needed another color.

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AbigailAdams · 19/11/2012 20:50

I'm in! Great idea. What a joy it would be not to tell the difference between boys and girls toys. In fact if this catches on we might not even be able to tell the difference between small children. Shock

...And the world would then collapse around our ears...

OneHandWavingFree · 19/11/2012 20:52

I agree entirely that a big part of the issue lies with the manufacturers and the marketers for perpetuating the idea that you have to have a 'boys' and 'girls' version of everything (and there's some blame to be apportioned to the consumers for buying into it too). I do think that the issue of what's made in the first place, how it's packaged and how it's advertised on TV really needs to be addressed.

But as you say, HNC, their motive for doing it is clear. They want to sell twice as much to families (and extended families) with children of both genders.

It would be very worthwhile to take on the whole issue of gendered / pinkified toys, but I don't know how effective we'd be, at least in the short term, in making a noticeable dent in how things are done overall.

Whereas the rationale for concentrating on the toy aisle thing (actual aisles in physical shops and virtual aisles in the case of search tools on retail websites) in the short term, is that it's something that could potentially be changed pretty quickly.

I don't really see where there's a huge incentive for retailers to keep things the way they are, as there is in the case of manufacturers. They will still stock kitchens and spaceships, and both versions of Lego, and boys and girls will still enter the store wanting what they want, based largely (and unfortunately) on the messaging they've received from advertisers.

The only difference is that the pink legos and the multicoloured ones will be side by side on the 'construction' shelf, rather than aisles apart. Surely this could potentially have a positive impact on sales rather than a negative one? A girl who wasn't interested Lego when it was offered to her in five shades of pink, won't feel like she can't pick up the multicoloured box which is sitting right next to it. A boy who wants every possible kind of Lego might see the pink ones as an option to expand his range, when he would never have considered going into the girls' aisle to find them.

A girl who wants to play with dolls is not going to skip the "dolls" aisle because it no longer says "Girls" - but her brother might venture there if the "Girls" sign disappears. And the little girl might find herself browsing train sets if there's no "Boys" sign over that aisle to put her off having a look.

Surely all of this could be good for the retailer?

Given that the retailers are (perhaps) the most likely to make a change, can make a change as easily as re-stocking shelves and hanging a few new signs, and are the actual point at which children and parents finalise their decisions about which toys they want, I would argue that it makes sense to concentrate our efforts on them, at least to begin with.

I'm not at all trying to stifle discussion on manufacturing / marketing, and I will still be very much on board if the consensus is that we should try to target all aspects of gender-based sales of toys, in the way that PinkStinks does. But my own view is that we should bite off one chunk at a time, starting with the retailers. Open to feedback on that, though :)

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OneHandWavingFree · 19/11/2012 20:53

Shock sorry so long!

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AllSWornOut · 19/11/2012 21:33

I would also support such a campaign. I'm having an on going discussion about this with a friend at work who is convinced that girls should be girls and boys, boys (whatever that means).

jammic · 19/11/2012 21:33

Count me in Grin

Arkady · 19/11/2012 21:55

I'm in.
Nowt constructive to add as my brain has been addled by germridden children, but it is important to me.
One, excellent thoughts as to easily made but worthwhile changes.

LadyKinbote · 19/11/2012 21:58

OneHand is right. We have to make it sound potentially profitable to the retailer and selling the benefits of mixed shelving is the right way to go. It's also a very focused campaign which could make it more press-worthy. Gendered toys is already covered (well) by other campaigns. Plus we would avoid the "but pink is a NICE colour" criticisms.

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